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19740305-0000001
1974-03-05
ontario
legislative_assembly
en
null
null
null
procedural
Tuesday, March 5, 1974, being the first day of the fourth session of the 29th Parliament of the Province of Ontario, for the despatch of business pursuant to a proclamation of the Honourable W. Ross Macdonald, Lieutenant Governor of the Province. The House met at 3 o’clock, p.m. The Honourable the Lieutenant Governor, ...
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19740305-0000002
1974-03-05
ontario
legislative_assembly
en
null
SPEECH FROM THE THRONE
Hon. W. Ross Macdonald (Lieutenant Governor)
speech
Pray be seated. Mr. Speaker and members of the legislative assembly, on behalf of our Sovereign, I welcome you to the opening of the fourth session of the 29th Parliament of Ontario. As hon. members were reminded earlier today, continued improvement in the prosperity of our province was slowed to some extent last year ...
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19740305-0000003
1974-03-05
ontario
legislative_assembly
en
null
SPEECH FROM THE THRONE
null
procedural
Prayers.
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19740305-0000004
1974-03-05
ontario
legislative_assembly
en
null
SPEECH FROM THE THRONE
Mr. Speaker
speech
To prevent mistakes, I have obtained a copy of His Honour’s speech, which I will now read.
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19740305-0000005
1974-03-05
ontario
legislative_assembly
en
null
SPEECH FROM THE THRONE
Mr. R. F. Nixon (Leader of the Opposition)
speech
Mr. Speaker, on a point of order, if you will permit me, sir; before we go ahead with the usual dispensation I would draw your attention and perhaps to the attention of the Premier that according to the copies of the speech made available there were certain omissions in His Honour’s speech. Perhaps the collation has be...
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19740305-0000006
1974-03-05
ontario
legislative_assembly
en
null
SPEECH FROM THE THRONE
Hon. W. G. Davis (Premier)
speech
Mr. Speaker, I still think we could dispense with the reading of the Throne Speech. I think there were several matters that perhaps were caught when the pages were being turned. The full text of the Throne Speech will be made available. I really don’t think there is any purpose in rereading it. Mr. Speaker, I should ha...
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19740305-0000007
1974-03-05
ontario
legislative_assembly
en
null
SPEECH FROM THE THRONE
Mr. Speaker
speech
It is agreed, then, that the reading of the speech be dispensed with?
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19740305-0000008
1974-03-05
ontario
legislative_assembly
en
null
SPEECH FROM THE THRONE
Some hon. members
speech
Agreed. Reading dispensed with.
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19740305-0000009
1974-03-05
ontario
legislative_assembly
en
null
UNIVERSITY EXPROPRIATION POWERS ACT
Some hon. members
speech
Hon. Mr. Welch moves first reading of bill intituled. An Act to amend the University Expropriation Powers Act.
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19740305-0000010
1974-03-05
ontario
legislative_assembly
en
null
UNIVERSITY EXPROPRIATION POWERS ACT
null
procedural
Motion agreed to; first reading of the bill.
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19740305-0000011
1974-03-05
ontario
legislative_assembly
en
null
UNIVERSITY EXPROPRIATION POWERS ACT
Some hon. members
speech
Hon. Mr. Davis moves that the speech of the Honourable the Lieutenant Governor to this House be taken into consideration on Thursday next.
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19740305-0000012
1974-03-05
ontario
legislative_assembly
en
null
UNIVERSITY EXPROPRIATION POWERS ACT
null
procedural
Motion agreed to.
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19740305-0000013
1974-03-05
ontario
legislative_assembly
en
null
UNIVERSITY EXPROPRIATION POWERS ACT
Some hon. members
speech
Hon. Mr. Davis moves the adjournment of the House.
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19740305-0000014
1974-03-05
ontario
legislative_assembly
en
null
UNIVERSITY EXPROPRIATION POWERS ACT
null
procedural
Motion agreed to.
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19740305-0000015
1974-03-05
ontario
legislative_assembly
en
null
UNIVERSITY EXPROPRIATION POWERS ACT
null
procedural
The House adjourned at 3:30 o’clock, p.m.
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19740306-0000001
1974-03-06
ontario
legislative_assembly
en
null
null
null
procedural
The House met at 2 o’clock, p.m. Prayers.
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19740306-0000002
1974-03-06
ontario
legislative_assembly
en
null
null
Mr. Speaker
speech
Statements by the ministry. Oral questions. The hon. Leader of the Opposition.
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19740306-0000003
1974-03-06
ontario
legislative_assembly
en
null
WITHDRAWAL OF TEACHERS’ SERVICES
Mr. R. F. Nixon (Leader of the Opposition)
speech
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the absence of the Minister of Education (Mr. Wells), I wonder if the Premier could report to the House the status on the negotiations -- the protracted negotiations -- between the secondary school teachers and the York county board?
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19740306-0000004
1974-03-06
ontario
legislative_assembly
en
null
WITHDRAWAL OF TEACHERS’ SERVICES
Hon. W. G. Davis (Premier)
speech
Mr. Speaker, the minister, I expect, will be here shortly and could probably give to the House a more detailed description, not as to the state of the negotiations in any detail, but some of the history of it and his own activities and that of the ministry. The parties are meeting -- I believe they reconvened at 10 o’c...
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19740306-0000005
1974-03-06
ontario
legislative_assembly
en
null
WITHDRAWAL OF TEACHERS’ SERVICES
Mr. R. F. Nixon
speech
He will be here?
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19740306-0000006
1974-03-06
ontario
legislative_assembly
en
null
WITHDRAWAL OF TEACHERS’ SERVICES
Hon. Mr. Davis
speech
I expect the minister will be here very shortly.
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19740306-0000007
1974-03-06
ontario
legislative_assembly
en
null
WITHDRAWAL OF TEACHERS’ SERVICES
Mr. A. J. Roy (Ottawa East)
speech
It took the Premier a long time to answer that one.
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19740306-0000008
1974-03-06
ontario
legislative_assembly
en
null
ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF PUBLIC WORKS
Mr. R. F. Nixon
speech
I was hoping the minister would be here. I would like to put another question to the Premier arising out of a section in the Speech from the Throne yesterday. Can he give the House the assurance that the proposal in the speech calling for an objective assessment of the environmental impact of public works -- and I pres...
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19740306-0000009
1974-03-06
ontario
legislative_assembly
en
null
ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF PUBLIC WORKS
Hon. Mr. Davis
speech
Mr. Speaker, I agree with the Leader of the Opposition as to the excellence of the concept.
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19740306-0000010
1974-03-06
ontario
legislative_assembly
en
null
ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF PUBLIC WORKS
Mr. R. F. Nixon
speech
Only if the government is prepared to use it.
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19740306-0000011
1974-03-06
ontario
legislative_assembly
en
null
ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF PUBLIC WORKS
Hon. Mr. Davis
speech
It is one we are pioneering to a certain extent with this kind of proposed review agency, Mr. Speaker. It think it is fair to state that if there had been such an agency a period of time ago, some of these projects obviously would have been referred to it. I certainly can’t undertake to the member for Brant that projec...
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19740306-0000012
1974-03-06
ontario
legislative_assembly
en
null
ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF PUBLIC WORKS
Mr. S. Lewis (Scarborough West)
speech
No, not that one.
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19740306-0000013
1974-03-06
ontario
legislative_assembly
en
null
ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF PUBLIC WORKS
Hon. Mr. Davis
speech
-- perhaps not that line, but a part of the connection there with the 500 kv line -- to appoint Dr. Solandt to review the 500 kv corridor from Nanticoke to Pickering is in essence a form of review procedure. As I said to the press two or three days ago, it is our hope that we will have Dr. Solandt’s report very shortly...
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19740306-0000014
1974-03-06
ontario
legislative_assembly
en
null
ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF PUBLIC WORKS
Mr. R. F. Nixon
speech
A supplementary for clarification: Since the high tension line from Douglas Point to Bradley Junction and Georgetown is not under construction, and since it has not been reviewed by Dr. Solandt, does the Premier then mean, since it is not under construction, it will be reviewed? And since Dr. Solandt has been associate...
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19740306-0000015
1974-03-06
ontario
legislative_assembly
en
null
ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF PUBLIC WORKS
Hon. Mr. Davis
speech
Mr. Speaker, I think it’s the kind of thing that it would be perhaps wise to refer to the proposed environmental review board or whatever terminology is used. As I say, there is one aspect of it, and that is the connection with the 500 kv line somewhere in the area in Halton or Peel as it crosses the escarpment. I thin...
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19740306-0000016
1974-03-06
ontario
legislative_assembly
en
null
ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF PUBLIC WORKS
Mr. R. F. Nixon
speech
Hopefully there is an alternative that will not bring that problem forward.
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19740306-0000017
1974-03-06
ontario
legislative_assembly
en
null
ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF PUBLIC WORKS
Mr. Lewis
speech
There are.
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19740306-0000018
1974-03-06
ontario
legislative_assembly
en
null
ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF PUBLIC WORKS
Hon. Mr. Davis
speech
But I can’t find any way to have that particular 500 kv line not cross the county of Peel somewhere.
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19740306-0000019
1974-03-06
ontario
legislative_assembly
en
null
ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF PUBLIC WORKS
Mr. J. R. Breithaupt (Kitchener)
speech
It can’t be done.
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19740306-0000020
1974-03-06
ontario
legislative_assembly
en
null
ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF PUBLIC WORKS
Hon. Mr. Davis
speech
And, unfortunately, I am told it is too expensive to put underground across that great county too.
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19740306-0000021
1974-03-06
ontario
legislative_assembly
en
null
ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF PUBLIC WORKS
Mr. Lewis
speech
Mr. Speaker, as a supplementary, if I can, given the number of angry and anxious meetings held by the farmers with Ontario Hydro over the last several months on the line from Douglas Point to Georgetown, can the Premier give an undertaking, rather than being vague, that the line will not be proceeded with nor will Hydr...
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19740306-0000022
1974-03-06
ontario
legislative_assembly
en
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ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF PUBLIC WORKS
Hon. Mr. Davis
speech
Mr. Speaker, I can’t at this stage, without some review of it and until we see the legislation and know how it’s going to work, give that firm a commitment. I think it is obvious that it is the land of situation which the environmental review board or agency, whatever term is used, is anticipated to cover. But to say t...
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19740306-0000023
1974-03-06
ontario
legislative_assembly
en
null
ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF PUBLIC WORKS
Mr. M. Cassidy (Ottawa Centre)
speech
Supplementary, Mr. Speaker --
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19740306-0000024
1974-03-06
ontario
legislative_assembly
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null
ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF PUBLIC WORKS
Mr. R. F. Nixon
speech
By way of further supplementary, Mr. Speaker --
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19740306-0000025
1974-03-06
ontario
legislative_assembly
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ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF PUBLIC WORKS
Mr. Cassidy
speech
If I can turn to Arnprior --
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19740306-0000026
1974-03-06
ontario
legislative_assembly
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null
ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF PUBLIC WORKS
Mr. R. F. Nixon
speech
Who are you recognizing, Mr. Speaker?
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19740306-0000027
1974-03-06
ontario
legislative_assembly
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null
ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF PUBLIC WORKS
Mr. Speaker
speech
I think the hon. Leader of the Opposition. Then I will come back to the hon. member for Ottawa Centre.
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19740306-0000028
1974-03-06
ontario
legislative_assembly
en
null
ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF PUBLIC WORKS
Mr. R. F. Nixon
speech
I would like to ask the Premier, since the hearings of necessity under the Expropriations Act are going on right now, today, would he undertake to discuss the matter with the Minister of Energy (Mr. McKeough) as a matter of some priority so that if in fact an objective hearing is decided upon, which is certainly urged ...
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Hon. Mr. Davis
speech
Mr. Speaker, that is certainly an undertaking I can give. I will discuss it with the Minister of Energy very shortly.
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19740306-0000030
1974-03-06
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ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF PUBLIC WORKS
Mr. Cassidy
speech
Supplementary, Mr. Speaker, if I can turn to Arnprior. In view of the fact that the environmental hearing board proposed by the government will not be established for some time, and in view of the fact that about $10 million out of an $82-million project has now been spent -- maybe $7 million or $8 million -- but $70 o...
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19740306-0000031
1974-03-06
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ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF PUBLIC WORKS
Hon. Mr. Davis
speech
Mr. Speaker, I can’t give any such undertaking to have an inquiry related to those matters. I can only say to the hon. member that Ontario Hydro is aware and the government is aware of potential problems that may or may not arise, and obviously they will take these into account. But I must say to the hon. member, we do...
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19740306-0000032
1974-03-06
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ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF PUBLIC WORKS
Mr. E. J. Bounsall (Windsor West)
speech
Supplementary, Mr. Speaker --
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ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF PUBLIC WORKS
Mr. Cassidy
speech
Supplementary, Mr. Speaker --
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ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF PUBLIC WORKS
Mr. Speaker
speech
One more supplementary. The hon. member for Timiskaming would like a supplementary.
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1974-03-06
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ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF PUBLIC WORKS
Mr. Bounsall
speech
Windsor West.
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Mr. Speaker
speech
Windsor West, I am sorry.
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Mr. Lewis
speech
The hon. member for Timiskaming, God forbid.
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19740306-0000038
1974-03-06
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ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF PUBLIC WORKS
Mr. Bounsall
speech
With reference to the original question about the line across southwestern Ontario, regarding that portion of in between Wingham junction and Kitchener, would the Premier speak to Hydro with a view to seeing that they purchase only enough land required for the power that can be transmitted along that corridor, which is...
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Hon. Mr. Davis
speech
Mr. Speaker, my understanding is that a route hasn’t been selected, so I can’t give any commitment on this at all. Quite obviously one can’t do it.
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Mr. Bounsall
speech
But the Premier knows what width they’re trying to purchase.
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19740306-0000041
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Hon. Mr. Davis
speech
But we don’t know the route.
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19740306-0000042
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Mr. Speaker
speech
The hon. Leader of the Opposition. Interjection by hon. member.
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Mr. R. F. Nixon
speech
Mr. Speaker, now that the Minister of Education is in his place, I wonder if he would report to the House on the status of the negotiations in York and in the Windsor area.
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Hon. T. L. Wells (Minister of Education)
speech
Yes, Mr. Speaker, I would be very pleased to. In regard to the York county dispute between the secondary teachers and that board, talks began again this morning and are presently carrying on, with the help of a Ministry of Labour mediator, at the Ministry of Labour offices on University Ave. In regard to the Windsor si...
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Mr. Lewis
speech
That’s pretty kind. The minister is in a generous mood.
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null
procedural
Interjections by hon. members.
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Hon. Mr. Wells
speech
The facts of the matter actually are that --
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Mr. Lewis
speech
The board is nuts. That’s the fact of the matter.
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Hon. Mr. Wells
speech
-- an agreement was signed, that I and one of the Ministry of Labour negotiators wrote out on a piece of hotel paper in pencil --
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null
procedural
Interjections by hon. members.
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Mr. J. F. Foulds (Port Arthur)
speech
Would the minister care to specify which location and the hotel?
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Hon. Mr. Wells
speech
I won’t mention the name of the hotel for fear of giving any free publicity.
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Mr. Lewis
speech
Well, they don’t have to --
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Mr. J. E. Bullbrook (Sarnia)
speech
I’ll bet they’re in the Royal York.
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Hon. Mr. Wells
speech
No, they aren’t, as a matter of fact. They’re down in the town of my friend’s colleague from Windsor.
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Mr. Lewis
speech
In a non-union hotel, I might say.
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Hon. Mr. Wells
speech
The actual statement that was signed by both the board and the teachers said that because they had failed to reach any agreement, they would submit the matters still in dispute to arbitration which would be final and binding on both parties. I think there is no question that that was the intent. That was my intent, tha...
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Mr. D. C. MacDonald (York South)
speech
Does the minister think they are bargaining in good faith?
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Hon. Mr. Wells
speech
I think, though, that the matter will be straightened out today. Our people have been meeting with both sides --
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Mr. R. F. Nixon
speech
That’s the Windsor matter.
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Mr. Lewis
speech
I think he’s right.
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Hon. Mr. Wells
speech
Yes. Our people have been meeting with both sides and I’m pretty well assured that they will now sign an agreement and will get on with the arbitration.
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Mr. R. F. Nixon
speech
What about York?
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Hon. Mr. Wells
speech
I’m just as hopeful about York.
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19740306-0000065
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Mr. R. F. Nixon
speech
A supplementary: What about the York business? Has the minister taken part in the negotiations himself? Does he intend to do so? What is the story about these sort of secret meetings that have been reported where the minister does come forward with alternatives but says that he is not participating himself in the negot...
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Hon. Mr. Wells
speech
Well actually, Mr. Speaker, the fact of the matter is -- and I’m sure my friend, if he’s done any of this kind of mediating, knows there are times when I can participate and there are times when I cannot -- I did, in fact, participate in the negotiations toward the end of January --
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Mr. Lewis
speech
He did indeed.
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Hon. Mr. Wells
speech
Toward the end of January when we were dealing with many of the boards and at that time --
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Mr. Lewis
speech
Why didn’t the minister appoint the member for York Centre (Mr. Deacon)?
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Hon. Mr. Wells
speech
-- we were attempting then to avert --
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Hon. A. Grossman (Provincial Secretary for Resources Development)
speech
That would be total failure.
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Hon. Mr. Wells
speech
We were attempting to avert --
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19740306-0000073
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Mr. Lewis
speech
They could settle a year from now.
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19740306-0000074
1974-03-06
ontario
legislative_assembly
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WITHDRAWAL OF TEACHERS’ SERVICES
Hon. Mr. Wells
speech
We were, in fact, attempting to avert a walkout. Unfortunately, at the 11th hour, this just didn’t come about and at that time, as I’m sure the hon. member is very aware, I was very involved and I issued a statement at the end to both parties calling upon them to go to voluntary arbitration, which was rejected and whic...
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19740306-0000075
1974-03-06
ontario
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WITHDRAWAL OF TEACHERS’ SERVICES
Mr. R. F. Nixon
speech
The minister called them both irresponsible.
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19740306-0000076
1974-03-06
ontario
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WITHDRAWAL OF TEACHERS’ SERVICES
Hon. Mr. Wells
speech
Yes, and I think they both were at that time, because they failed to prevent a walkout by going to voluntary arbitration. I don’t put the blame on either side but that didn’t come about, and I felt it would have been more responsible if the walkout hadn’t occurred --
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19740306-0000077
1974-03-06
ontario
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WITHDRAWAL OF TEACHERS’ SERVICES
Mr. I. Deans (Wentworth)
speech
That’s one of the problems.
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19740306-0000078
1974-03-06
ontario
legislative_assembly
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WITHDRAWAL OF TEACHERS’ SERVICES
Hon. Mr. Wells
speech
-- and that time arbitration had come about. Once the strike took place it became obvious that for all concerned a negotiated settlement would be a much better arrangement, and certainly there is no place for me in the negotiations that were going on to arrive at a negotiated settlement. The Ministry of Labour mediator...
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19740306-0000079
1974-03-06
ontario
legislative_assembly
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WITHDRAWAL OF TEACHERS’ SERVICES
Mr. Lewis
speech
It shows.
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19740306-0000080
1974-03-06
ontario
legislative_assembly
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WITHDRAWAL OF TEACHERS’ SERVICES
Hon. Mr. Wells
speech
He’s still sitting at the table with them and I stand ready to be of help on the thing at any time that I can, but at the moment, I think it is best served to let both the parties, with the Ministry of Labour mediator, carry on negotiations.
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19740306-0000081
1974-03-06
ontario
legislative_assembly
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WITHDRAWAL OF TEACHERS’ SERVICES
Mr. Lewis
speech
A supplementary, Mr. Speaker.
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19740306-0000082
1974-03-06
ontario
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WITHDRAWAL OF TEACHERS’ SERVICES
Mr. Speaker
speech
The hon. member for Scarborough West.
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19740306-0000083
1974-03-06
ontario
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WITHDRAWAL OF TEACHERS’ SERVICES
Mr. Lewis
speech
Has the minister informed the board of York county in no uncertain terms that pupil-teacher ratio is a negotiable condition, as he envisages it to be in Bill 275, and should be in this dispute?
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19740306-0000084
1974-03-06
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WITHDRAWAL OF TEACHERS’ SERVICES
Hon. Mr. Wells
speech
Mr. Speaker, I have had discussions with the board there. They know my personal opinions and I think it should suffice that that is the extent that I should mention at this time while negotiations are going on.
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19740306-0000085
1974-03-06
ontario
legislative_assembly
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WITHDRAWAL OF TEACHERS’ SERVICES
Mr. D. M. Deacon (York Centre)
speech
A supplementary.
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