All of this sounds exactly the same as arguments in the USA. It's really telling to sit back and read these comments. 2 extreme sides to each point, both sides stating that their side is based on facts. Happens here as well. Hhmmmm........I'm thinking both sides are stating the facts that support their ideology, rather than any actual facts. People are getting their facts from their sides' mouthpieces. Just my guess anyways. In other words, we all play into the establishments hands instead of forming our own opinions. I'm guilty too. One thing I have learned to be better at, is when I am wrong, I'm learning to admit it.