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36c82ca | 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 | • Nick Nisi attending Squiggles conference • Jerod and Kball discussing React Summit US and the upcoming event on November 19th in New York • Discussion of JS Party's presence at both React Summit US and JS Nation US conferences • Announcement of Evan You's new company, VoidZero, and its $4.6 million seed funding for a unified development tool chain for JavaScript • Kball's concerns about the potential risks of VC-backed open source tooling infrastructure • Jerod's observations on Evan You's financial stability through Patreon and GitHub Sponsors, and the implications of his decision to raise capital • Creation of VoidZero and its goals • Concerns about a unified JavaScript tool chain being driven by VC funding • Impact on existing open-source projects (Vite, Vitest, etc.) • Challenges in making a for-profit company work with open-source projects • Comparison to Deno's approach to monetization • Potential for sponsorships and partnerships instead of venture capital funding • Vite is the fastest-growing tool chain in the JavaScript ecosystem • Kevin Ball expresses reservations about Evan You's decision to take VC funding and its potential impact on Vite's open-source nature • Jerod Santo proposes crowdfunding as an alternative approach to raise funds without sacrificing control or shifting focus towards paid services • Discussion of Evan You's background, ambition, and possible motivations for taking a big shot with VoidZero • Matt Mullenweg's controversy surrounding trademark infringement, lack of open source contribution, and recent buyout offer to employees at Automattic • 80% of Automattic employees worked on WordPress, while 20% worked on other projects like PocketCasts and Tumblr. • A person took $30,000 buyout offer two days before the deadline, giving a shout-out in the post. • The conversation discusses how Matt Mullenweg's behavior may not align with his previous character, potentially due to lack of advisors or pressures from the environment around him. • Automattic raised VC funding at the peak of the 2021 funding craze and is now facing financial strain, which could be affecting their behavior. • WP Engine's success and contribution to WordPress are being compared to Automattic's, with some suggesting it's a "social contract" for competitors to invest in the common foundation. • Ripple effects of actions in open source development • Trust cascades and loss of trust among users and customers • The role of a Benevolent Dictator for Life (BDFL) and consequences when no longer benevolent • Potential community fork of WordPress due to WP Engine controversy • Similarities with HashiCorp's relicense of Terraform and creation of Open Tofu • Risks of marrying open source and big backing companies • Challenges of finding sustainable funding models for open source development • Commercial open source software, including open core models and the role of venture capital • IndieVC model as an alternative to traditional VC funding • Starting a startup is often not enjoyable, so people are incentivized with large amounts of money to make it seem sexy. • The Web Components debate has been ongoing, with some arguing it's not the future of the web and others seeing its benefits. • Ryan Carniato argued that Web Components pose a risk to the web's future due to their limitations in building complex applications. • Cory LaViska responded that Web Components are currently being used as dynamic components within web pages, but not necessarily designed for full application development. • There is value in using Web Components as part of a larger component architecture, rather than trying to build entire applications with them. • Some experts recommend ignoring certain features of the Web Components API (such as the shadow DOM) to simplify and improve development. • Debate around reactive vs declarative programming models • Value of debates in advancing community thinking and problem-solving • Criticism of Web Components rollout speed and limitations • Browser companies' bias towards backward compatibility • Importance of building cool stuff and focusing on innovation, rather than litigation or shutting down others |