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[21.20 --> 24.48]  It's time to play Front End Feud!
[24.48 --> 39.26]  Hello, and welcome to Front End Feud, our award-worthy game show where rival podcasts duke it out in the court of JS Party listener opinion.
[39.84 --> 51.36]  Yes, we have surveyed 163 of our loyal, intelligent, ridiculously good-looking listeners with open-ended questions, compiled their responses, and tallied them up.
[51.36 --> 58.42]  Through six rounds of play, our two teams will attempt to guess the most popular answers to these questions.
[59.30 --> 63.02]  The team with the most points after six rounds wins.
[63.72 --> 72.38]  Let's meet our contestants, the defending three-time champs, Una Kravitz and Adam Argyle from the CSS Podcast.
[73.04 --> 73.86]  Welcome back, you two.
[74.28 --> 74.96]  Thank you. Thank you.
[74.98 --> 76.26]  Thank you for having us.
[77.08 --> 78.00]  We're ready.
[78.28 --> 79.28]  Excited to have you back.
[79.28 --> 83.42]  And our challengers hail from compressed.fm.
[83.54 --> 84.58]  Two-thirds of them, at least.
[84.72 --> 88.66]  We're joined by James Q. Quick and Brad Garropy.
[89.10 --> 89.68]  Welcome, guys.
[89.84 --> 90.54]  What's up? What's up?
[90.66 --> 91.58]  Awesome to be here.
[91.80 --> 95.22]  We are excited, and we are all secretly rooting for you.
[95.36 --> 100.48]  Because how many times can the CSS Podcast keep winning over and over and over again?
[100.48 --> 101.46]  Take this baton.
[101.88 --> 102.86]  Take it from me.
[102.92 --> 104.80]  Look, we don't make the rules.
[104.88 --> 105.74]  We just play the game.
[106.08 --> 107.32]  And you play it well.
[107.32 --> 108.62]  You play it quite well.
[109.12 --> 111.10]  I am your host, Jared Santo.
[111.48 --> 115.16]  And I traditionally drum up some witty questions to get to know our players.
[115.32 --> 116.70]  But I didn't have enough time.
[116.82 --> 123.68]  So I tasked our intern, Jerry, with viewing each of your internet profiles and writing a question for me.
[124.04 --> 127.90]  Which I will read aloud for the very first time now.
[128.64 --> 129.84]  Una, let's start with you.
[129.84 --> 133.98]  Actually, under your team, it just says, everybody knows Una and Adam.
[134.10 --> 135.26]  CSS, blah, blah, blah.
[135.38 --> 136.68]  Bright colors, blah, blah, blah.
[137.62 --> 138.92]  Why don't you just lose?
[139.00 --> 140.08]  We've all had enough already.
[140.32 --> 141.20]  Oh, thanks, Jerry.
[142.16 --> 143.74]  So that's inappropriate.
[143.98 --> 145.78]  But I guess no further questions.
[146.32 --> 149.08]  Let's turn now to Team Compressed FM.
[149.08 --> 152.10]  James, your name is James Q. Quick.
[152.38 --> 159.02]  When do you plan on suing Mishko Hevery and the Quick Web Framework team for blatant name plagiarism and copyright infringement?
[159.36 --> 160.20]  It's in the works.
[160.56 --> 164.24]  I can't talk about it too much because of legal issues.
[164.42 --> 166.22]  But it's also worth noting that it's spelled differently.
[167.06 --> 170.50]  So I don't know how much of a legal standing I have.
[170.60 --> 171.92]  You're ruining your case right now.
[172.12 --> 173.34]  You should not be talking.
[174.02 --> 176.04]  I think they probably realized that too, though.
[176.04 --> 178.30]  So they would probably bring that to their defense.
[178.30 --> 179.40]  Well played.
[179.58 --> 180.06]  Well played.
[180.16 --> 188.40]  Brad, according to your website, bradgarrape.com, you're a growing content creator, but you write your name in all lowercase.
[188.56 --> 191.04]  When are you going to grow up and use capital letters?
[191.18 --> 192.58]  Jerry, that's so wrong.
[192.90 --> 193.56]  You are fired.
[194.04 --> 195.18]  I'm sorry, Brad.
[195.70 --> 196.30]  Good interns.
[196.68 --> 204.56]  The less decisions I have to make about what's capital and what's not and how you spell front end and when it's capitalized, the easier my life is.
[205.08 --> 206.94]  I'm down with hyphens on the front end.
[206.94 --> 208.28]  I don't know how y'all feel.
[208.40 --> 210.22]  I just get rid of the front end.
[210.58 --> 213.32]  I get rid of the hyphen and I squash it all together.
[213.48 --> 214.04]  What's your hot takes?
[214.28 --> 214.32]  Oh, yeah.
[214.84 --> 215.16]  Oh, yeah.
[215.44 --> 217.74]  It's his small anti-capitalist protest.
[220.44 --> 221.08]  Very good.
[221.16 --> 221.40]  Very good.
[221.40 --> 224.50]  Well, let's play this game, shall we?
[224.68 --> 234.96]  Each round begins with a face-off or an interface-off, if you are into puns, in which one member of each team steps up and gets a first chance to guess.
[234.96 --> 242.54]  Now, unlike the real Family Feud, we do it serially, not in parallel, because internet latency.
[242.80 --> 247.96]  So you'll take turns and whoever matches the highest answer on the board gets to play that round.
[248.30 --> 261.42]  The team that plays will guess repeatedly until they get three strikes, at which point the other team has a chance to steal all the points in the round by matching anything left on the board.
[261.42 --> 266.28]  The only real rule is, when you're in your regular turns, you cannot confer with your teammate.
[266.88 --> 269.32]  But during steals, you can confer.
[270.16 --> 271.08]  Are there any questions?
[271.98 --> 273.04]  Are you ready to lose?
[275.28 --> 276.36]  Are you talking to Jared?
[276.54 --> 277.04]  Not a chance.
[277.38 --> 278.62]  I win every time.
[278.78 --> 280.06]  I don't know what you are talking about.
[280.06 --> 280.74]  Jared's always the winner.
[281.00 --> 281.20]  Yes.
[282.24 --> 284.26]  If not, I at least declare that I am.
[284.34 --> 286.12]  Okay, let's load up our game board.
[286.58 --> 287.04]  I'm scared.
[287.62 --> 289.30]  And let's play round one.
[289.30 --> 292.32]  We will begin with James versus Yuna.
[292.46 --> 293.14]  Step right up.
[294.94 --> 297.10]  And, Yuna, we will begin with you.
[297.62 --> 306.94]  We asked Jazz Party listeners to name the person who created their favorite software library or framework.
[307.20 --> 310.06]  The top four responses are on the board.
[310.62 --> 316.50]  I will say that to make the board, a response had to get at least five people to say it.
[316.50 --> 319.44]  So anything four or less did not make the board.
[319.50 --> 320.26]  We have four answers.
[321.04 --> 323.92]  Yuna, what do you think is at the top of that board?
[324.38 --> 326.72]  Well, the first thing that comes to mind is Dan Abramov.
[328.36 --> 330.80]  Okay, show us Dan Abramov.
[332.44 --> 335.72]  I'm sorry, Dan is not a top four name.
[335.94 --> 336.46]  Wow, interesting.
[336.94 --> 340.50]  Which means we go to James with an opportunity to take the board.
[341.10 --> 343.08]  I'll go Guillermo Rauch.
[343.58 --> 345.32]  Show us Guillermo Rauch.
[346.50 --> 348.36]  Oh boy, very interesting.
[348.68 --> 349.98]  We are 0 for 2.
[350.10 --> 351.00]  Goes back to Yuna now.
[351.08 --> 353.16]  We continue to face off until one of you match the board.
[353.76 --> 354.24]  Rich Harris?
[354.66 --> 356.68]  Show me Rich Harris.
[357.64 --> 358.62]  You got it.
[358.72 --> 360.60]  He is number 2.
[360.86 --> 363.28]  Rich Harris with 17 responses.
[363.64 --> 366.92]  Now, because you went first, James gets one more chance.
[367.00 --> 370.44]  If he can match that number 1 spot, then Compressed will play the round.
[370.54 --> 371.98]  If not, you win the round.
[372.16 --> 373.96]  So, James, one more guess.
[373.96 --> 375.46]  What's above Rich Harris?
[376.48 --> 379.52]  Uh, I am really not sure.
[379.98 --> 386.06]  I guess I'll go Mishko from Angular and then maybe Quick Counts 2.
[386.68 --> 387.00]  Okay.
[387.50 --> 388.62]  Show us Mishko Hevery.
[388.62 --> 390.94]  I'm sorry.
[390.94 --> 394.02]  Mishko is not in the top 4.
[394.22 --> 397.44]  So, CSS Pod is playing this round.
[398.00 --> 399.06]  You have number 2.
[399.16 --> 399.78]  That's Rich Harris.
[399.90 --> 404.34]  We asked everybody to name the person who created their favorite software library framework.
[404.84 --> 406.58]  Adam has been over there waiting in the wings.
[406.70 --> 407.82]  We've had lots of time to think.
[408.08 --> 409.38]  What do you think, Adam?
[409.86 --> 410.94]  Uh, there's another Adam.
[411.44 --> 412.30]  The last name is Watham.
[412.80 --> 413.54]  I think he's on there.
[414.16 --> 414.38]  Ooh.
[414.66 --> 415.14]  Show us.
[415.26 --> 415.86]  Adam Watham.
[415.86 --> 418.04]  Cool.
[418.38 --> 418.82]  Sorry.
[419.20 --> 419.70]  Wow.
[419.70 --> 420.98]  You are incorrect.
[421.94 --> 423.38]  And you get one strike.
[423.50 --> 424.34]  So, now back to Yuna.
[424.68 --> 424.98]  Wow.
[425.40 --> 426.98]  We have numbers 1, 3, and 4.
[427.08 --> 427.70]  They're out there.
[428.30 --> 429.20]  Lots of names, though.
[429.32 --> 430.00]  This is tough.
[430.34 --> 430.82]  What are you thinking?
[431.10 --> 432.40]  This is a really hard one.
[433.00 --> 436.04]  I feel like we've set a lot of people that I would expect to be on here.
[436.98 --> 439.12]  Oh, let's try Evan Yu for View.
[440.04 --> 440.40]  Okay.
[440.76 --> 441.66]  Show us Evan Yu.
[442.58 --> 443.02]  No.
[443.34 --> 444.62]  Number one answer.
[445.14 --> 446.44]  21 people.
[446.88 --> 447.26]  Wow.
[447.46 --> 447.70]  Nice.
[447.74 --> 451.52]  Named Evan Yu as the person who created their favorite library framework.
[451.64 --> 452.38]  We go back to Adam.
[452.74 --> 453.92]  That was my next one.
[454.14 --> 454.56]  Oh, no.
[454.78 --> 459.38]  And then my list is out, except I have one more here, but it's not a framework.
[459.38 --> 463.58]  They created like a platform, and I'm like, I don't know if anyone's going to write that.
[464.36 --> 464.64]  Okay.
[465.06 --> 465.84]  Creator node.
[466.30 --> 466.86]  Ryan Dahl.
[466.86 --> 468.82]  Show us Ryan Dahl.
[470.24 --> 471.62]  No Ryan Dahl.
[472.52 --> 473.32]  Two strikes.
[473.62 --> 475.46]  Back to you in the last strike.
[475.56 --> 476.86]  Oh, this is so hard.
[477.44 --> 480.38]  And then we have compressed with the opportunity to steal.
[480.84 --> 481.58]  Oh, man.
[481.68 --> 482.44]  This is a hard one.
[483.22 --> 484.54]  Who created jQuery?
[486.44 --> 487.04]  Classic.
[487.04 --> 488.06]  That's a favorite.
[488.98 --> 493.12]  Oh, I think it's John Rezig who created jQuery.
[493.50 --> 494.58]  I think you're right.
[494.58 --> 496.66]  Show us John Rezig.
[497.44 --> 498.62]  You are correct.
[498.86 --> 501.40]  And he is the number three person.
[501.46 --> 502.30]  I'm out of ideas now.
[502.88 --> 503.28]  Wow.
[503.36 --> 505.04]  With just one left on the board.
[505.06 --> 506.64]  I am shocked about that.
[507.04 --> 507.90]  Excellent guess.
[508.04 --> 509.42]  You have 52 points on the board.
[509.54 --> 510.60]  You got one strike left.
[511.16 --> 512.58]  Got to land that last spot.
[512.66 --> 513.56]  We go back to Adam.
[513.66 --> 514.22]  This is tough.
[514.58 --> 516.80]  If I can't land this, they could steal the whole board.
[517.44 --> 518.06]  This is correct.
[518.28 --> 518.94]  Some high pressure.
[519.00 --> 520.08]  I don't have any more ideas, though.
[520.08 --> 520.58]  High pressure.
[520.58 --> 522.22]  I mean, so we kind of already went through it.
[522.26 --> 524.60]  We named some huge frameworks.
[525.94 --> 526.38]  Folks.
[526.54 --> 526.74]  Okay.
[526.82 --> 528.14]  So, John Rezig is on there.
[528.90 --> 536.10]  After jQuery, Svelte, and Vue, React wasn't on the board for some reason.
[536.64 --> 537.78]  At least Dan wasn't.
[538.44 --> 540.50]  I don't think we're going to get into, like, Backbone.
[540.70 --> 543.80]  You know, it's not Addy is Monty or anything like that.
[544.64 --> 546.90]  Oh, let's get into the library or framework.
[547.98 --> 548.90]  It's so tough.
[549.96 --> 550.36]  Okay.
[551.08 --> 551.44]  Cindrasaurus.
[552.66 --> 553.18]  Interesting.
[553.48 --> 554.04]  Good guess.
[554.36 --> 555.40]  That's a really good guess.
[555.66 --> 557.38]  Show us Cindrasaurus.
[559.14 --> 563.50]  I'm sorry, but that is not the third person.
[563.92 --> 564.62]  That was a great guess.
[564.72 --> 566.12]  You have scored 52 points.
[566.30 --> 567.98]  You hold on to those unless...
[567.98 --> 568.36]  Oh, we do.
[568.78 --> 570.12]  James and Brad can steal.
[570.26 --> 571.26]  No, unless they steal.
[571.26 --> 574.54]  Unless...
[574.54 --> 575.98]  I've got to finish my sentences faster.
[576.00 --> 576.26]  The big caveat.
[576.62 --> 576.96]  Yes.
[577.24 --> 578.62]  So, Brad and James, you can confer.
[578.72 --> 579.62]  You can talk amongst yourselves.
[579.72 --> 582.72]  You get one guess, and you have to match that fourth spot to steal the board.
[583.02 --> 583.26]  Okay.
[583.36 --> 586.62]  So, my take is this is probably a library.
[586.86 --> 588.94]  I think we've exhausted all the frameworks at this point.
[589.40 --> 593.16]  And I can think of a few, like, big-time library authors.
[593.42 --> 594.54]  I was going to go with Cindra.
[594.62 --> 596.04]  That's a really great guess.
[596.38 --> 599.00]  But if we try to think of, like, single big-name libraries,
[599.00 --> 604.06]  I'm thinking maybe Tanner Linsley for, like, React Query, things like that.
[604.42 --> 608.34]  Or maybe, like, Ryan Florence for React Router Reach UI.
[608.88 --> 610.00]  Oh, I would probably...
[610.78 --> 611.02]  Yeah.
[611.28 --> 611.68]  Remix.
[611.84 --> 613.50]  I mean, that could go up there.
[614.12 --> 616.50]  Also, just a big name, like, across the board, too.
[616.54 --> 616.88]  A big name across the board.
[616.88 --> 620.58]  I also thought about Astro just because the hype with Astro now.
[620.68 --> 621.84]  Like, if people answered recently,
[622.36 --> 625.06]  there's a chance that they would have been popular enough.
[625.06 --> 628.54]  I would probably go Remix or Astro versus Tanner Linsley
[628.54 --> 631.42]  just because of, like, definition of framework.
[631.76 --> 633.54]  Yeah, it says software library or framework.
[633.80 --> 637.86]  And I think Ryan Florence at least crosses both of those boundaries there.
[638.00 --> 640.12]  So, I might go Ryan Florence.
[640.32 --> 642.62]  Oh, I didn't realize it said software library or framework.
[642.70 --> 642.84]  Okay.
[643.14 --> 644.44]  Uh, yeah.
[644.90 --> 645.40]  Let's do it.
[645.54 --> 645.96]  Say it again.
[646.02 --> 647.08]  Ryan Florence, final answer?
[647.20 --> 647.90]  Ryan Florence.
[648.48 --> 648.92]  All right.
[649.00 --> 652.06]  For the steal, is Ryan Florence in that fourth slot?
[652.06 --> 652.66]  Slot.
[653.90 --> 655.44]  Ah, I'm sorry.
[655.60 --> 656.06]  He is not.
[656.84 --> 657.14]  So.
[657.32 --> 658.44]  This is how we win.
[659.50 --> 661.56]  This is our technique.
[661.64 --> 663.02]  How is jQuery on there?
[663.64 --> 664.50]  Yeah, how is jQuery on there?
[664.50 --> 664.90]  I can't believe it.
[664.90 --> 665.92]  Who voted for jQuery?
[666.16 --> 666.44]  Wow.
[666.58 --> 666.76]  Yeah.
[667.02 --> 667.86]  That one's wild.
[668.28 --> 671.56]  We will award the 52 points to Team CSS Podcast.
[672.04 --> 674.88]  We will reveal the fourth slot.
[675.74 --> 677.44]  The author of a little...
[677.44 --> 678.52]  It's probably one of the ones you talked about.
[678.94 --> 679.22]  It's gotta be.
[679.22 --> 681.10]  Static site generator called Eleventy.
[681.10 --> 681.80]  It's Zach.
[681.80 --> 682.80]  Zach Leventy.
[683.30 --> 683.50]  Really?
[684.10 --> 684.36]  Wow.
[684.44 --> 685.14]  Congrats, Zach.
[685.30 --> 686.44]  You're in the top four, yo.
[687.38 --> 687.82]  Wow.
[688.30 --> 692.52]  Now, let's talk about some runners-up, because all the names that you guys named got votes.
[693.22 --> 694.62]  Yeah, so Tanner Lindsley got four.
[694.62 --> 695.38]  I'm surprised Dan's not on there.
[695.46 --> 696.42]  Just give him the listenership.
[696.74 --> 699.08]  Ryan Carniato got four from Solid.
[699.22 --> 700.22]  We got Jordan Walk.
[700.40 --> 700.84]  Walkie?
[701.02 --> 701.26]  Walk?
[701.58 --> 702.34]  That's...
[702.34 --> 703.54]  He created React, right?
[703.58 --> 704.08]  With four.
[704.46 --> 704.62]  Yeah.
[704.72 --> 705.84]  Ryan Florence had three.
[706.02 --> 707.12]  Ryan Dahl had three.
[707.90 --> 710.02]  David Hennemeyer-Hanson from Rails got three.
[710.02 --> 711.50]  Dan Abramov got three.
[711.80 --> 713.32]  Adam Argyle got three.
[713.40 --> 713.94]  Yeah, he did.
[713.96 --> 714.52]  Open props.
[714.66 --> 714.80]  Wow.
[714.90 --> 715.68]  Which is better...
[715.68 --> 718.62]  You all did better than Tim Berners-Lee, who got two shout-outs.
[720.62 --> 722.12]  Patrick JS got a vote.
[722.50 --> 728.08]  Anybody who's been tracking the Everything saga, Patrick JS unleashed on NPM.
[728.08 --> 728.84]  That was a funny one.
[729.12 --> 731.58]  And then there's one vote for Bob from Accounts.
[731.76 --> 738.72]  So shout out to you, Bob, for an awesome job creating someone's favorite library or framework.
[739.38 --> 740.16]  Thank you, Bob.
[740.26 --> 740.72]  All right.
[740.88 --> 743.46]  That goes to the end of round one.
[744.18 --> 746.84]  CSS pod takes an early lead with 52 points.
[747.48 --> 747.90]  Compressed.
[748.02 --> 748.70]  Just getting started.
[748.70 --> 749.88]  Please hold.
[750.22 --> 752.52]  Your feud is important to us.
[764.42 --> 765.44]  What's up, friends?
[765.44 --> 770.06]  This episode of GS Party is brought to you by our friends at Vercel.
[770.36 --> 775.00]  And I'm here with Lee Robinson, a.k.a. Lee Rob, VP of product over at Vercel.
[775.22 --> 778.36]  So, Lee, let's talk about Vercel's front-end cloud.
[778.50 --> 786.32]  I know Vercel supports over 35 frameworks, but the question I often hear is, is the happy path on Vercel Next.js?
[786.32 --> 792.82]  Are you optimizing the best experience, the sugar on top, so to speak, for those using Next.js?
[793.46 --> 798.80]  Yeah, it's a great question because, of course, we're biased because we make Next.js that we really like Next.js.
[798.96 --> 804.18]  But the idea behind the front-end cloud and the idea behind a concept we call framework-defined infrastructure
[804.18 --> 809.52]  is that we want to make it as easy as possible for you to write code in the frameworks that you prefer
[809.52 --> 813.62]  and still get to take advantage of all of the cloud infrastructure primitives
[813.62 --> 817.92]  and the developer experience platform that Vercel provides in that same model.
[818.12 --> 824.60]  So, tangibly, this framework-defined infrastructure concept means that I write code in my framework-native way,
[825.08 --> 830.52]  and Vercel is going to do the heavy lifting of transforming that into managed infrastructure.
[831.16 --> 837.10]  So, in Next.js or in Nuxt or in SvelteKit or Remix or all of these frameworks that we support
[837.10 --> 842.10]  through framework-defined infrastructure, I'll write my code in their framework API.
[842.64 --> 846.32]  So, I want to do server-side rendering. Great. I'll do it through their conventions.
[846.92 --> 853.38]  When I deploy to Vercel, our platform is going to transform that code to work with our managed infrastructure
[853.38 --> 857.30]  that's very scalable and also flexible for what developers need.
[857.82 --> 860.92]  Okay, so help me break down what you mean when you say the front-end cloud.
[861.04 --> 865.16]  I get Vercel, front-end, front-end frameworks, all that good stuff, but break that down for me.
[865.16 --> 867.28]  What exactly is the front-end cloud?
[867.72 --> 872.44]  We believe that there should be tools designed and built by and for front-end developers.
[872.82 --> 878.18]  We want to have tools that help enable you not only from the framework and the code that you're writing
[878.18 --> 884.86]  with React or Vue or Svelte, all the way up to the platform that allows you to deploy your code,
[884.98 --> 888.08]  not only in U.S. East, but around the world as well, too.
[888.08 --> 893.42]  And I think historically, a lot of tools for developers have been built back-end first,
[893.54 --> 895.26]  have been built for the back-end developer.
[895.80 --> 898.76]  If you think about AWS, right, it's a great back-end cloud.
[899.18 --> 905.42]  It has a suite of tools that you can pull from and really craft and build anything that you want.
[905.42 --> 911.10]  But when you're building the front-end of your application, there's a lot of things that are undifferentiated.
[911.34 --> 916.22]  It's like, I don't really want to have to stitch together all of these different pieces and set up my pipelines
[916.22 --> 918.28]  and set up all of this front-end infrastructure.
[918.78 --> 920.64]  I just want to build a really good product.
[921.14 --> 925.10]  And really what the front-end cloud means to me is focusing more on the product experience
[925.10 --> 927.96]  and focusing more on the user experience
[927.96 --> 931.24]  and just letting a platform like Vercel's front-end cloud
[931.24 --> 934.58]  take care of all of that infrastructure and tooling for you.
[935.16 --> 936.16]  Very cool. I love it.
[936.38 --> 939.62]  With zero configuration for over 35 frameworks,
[940.08 --> 943.10]  Vercel's front-end cloud makes it easy for any team to deploy their apps.
[943.42 --> 946.82]  Today, you can get started with a 14-day free trial of Vercel Pro
[946.82 --> 950.54]  or get a customized enterprise demo from their team.
[951.00 --> 954.52]  Visit Vercel.com slash changelogpod to get started.
[954.52 --> 959.52]  That's V-E-R-C-E-L dot com slash changelogpod.
[967.76 --> 970.66]  Let's go to round two.
[971.00 --> 974.70]  And we now have Brad and Adam facing off.
[976.52 --> 978.52]  Let's start with Brad.
[978.60 --> 983.42]  We asked JS Party listeners to name the first CSS property
[983.42 --> 986.32]  that comes to your mind.
[986.48 --> 989.96]  The top six responses are on the board.
[990.42 --> 995.20]  Brad, what do you think is at the top of JS Party listeners' minds?
[995.78 --> 997.12]  I'm going to go with margin.
[997.96 --> 998.92]  Show us margin.
[999.42 --> 999.86]  Margin.
[1000.18 --> 1005.28]  It's on there at the number five slot with seven responses.
[1005.28 --> 1010.44]  So, lots of opportunity for Adam to match higher than that.
[1010.52 --> 1012.38]  Adam, what are you thinking?
[1012.82 --> 1013.40]  That's very good.
[1013.54 --> 1014.88]  I'm going to say display.
[1015.30 --> 1016.08]  Show us display.
[1017.36 --> 1019.30]  Number one answer, display.
[1019.66 --> 1020.18]  Wow.
[1020.62 --> 1020.98]  Huzzah.
[1021.38 --> 1021.72]  CSS.
[1021.92 --> 1022.24]  Dang.
[1022.24 --> 1024.26]  I'm never going to get rid of these two.
[1024.38 --> 1024.62]  Okay.
[1026.32 --> 1029.46]  CSS pod is playing round two as well.
[1029.54 --> 1030.14]  We go to Yuna.
[1030.30 --> 1032.34]  You've matched two of six.
[1033.02 --> 1035.32]  What else do you think in terms of CSS properties
[1035.32 --> 1037.68]  is in the minds of JS Party listeners?
[1038.22 --> 1040.80]  I'm going to go with the first CSS property that I learned,
[1040.90 --> 1041.52]  which is color.
[1042.10 --> 1042.72]  Show us color.
[1044.00 --> 1044.98]  You got it.
[1045.34 --> 1046.74]  Slot in there at number two.
[1047.06 --> 1049.30]  Worth 37 points.
[1049.30 --> 1050.88]  How else do you know your CSS is working?
[1052.88 --> 1054.50]  Oh, that gave me an idea for another one.
[1054.80 --> 1055.18]  Oh, no.
[1055.38 --> 1056.18]  Oh, don't help them.
[1056.18 --> 1056.50]  You need to be quiet.
[1056.66 --> 1057.88]  Do they not need any help?
[1058.38 --> 1059.64]  All right, Adam, back to you.
[1060.58 --> 1061.46]  Font size.
[1062.12 --> 1063.20]  Show us font size.
[1064.44 --> 1069.48]  This one is grouped underneath the very broad category of font dash star.
[1069.48 --> 1070.82]  So, family, size, et cetera.
[1071.34 --> 1072.64]  Eleven votes on font.
[1073.20 --> 1075.14]  Two left, slots three and six.
[1075.28 --> 1075.78]  Back to Yuna.
[1076.04 --> 1076.36]  All right.
[1076.42 --> 1077.56]  I'm going to go with background.
[1077.56 --> 1077.76]  Background.
[1078.64 --> 1079.38]  Show us background.
[1080.90 --> 1081.88]  You got it.
[1082.16 --> 1082.52]  Background.
[1082.84 --> 1083.08]  Woo!
[1083.34 --> 1084.76]  Slot in there at number three.
[1085.06 --> 1086.06]  No strikes yet.
[1086.16 --> 1088.64]  You guys are just batting 1,000 this round.
[1088.76 --> 1092.02]  I guess it is CSS properties makes a little bit of sense.
[1092.04 --> 1093.08]  That's how we get the big points.
[1093.24 --> 1093.52]  Adam.
[1093.64 --> 1093.86]  I'm just kidding.
[1093.98 --> 1094.86]  The last one's the hardest.
[1094.96 --> 1097.36]  You lined up those pop cans, and we grabbed our daisy,
[1097.48 --> 1098.94]  and we're hitting these over.
[1098.94 --> 1100.80]  I'm pretty sure the last one's padding.
[1101.04 --> 1102.78]  Can they go six for six?
[1102.88 --> 1103.40]  Show us padding.
[1104.76 --> 1105.72]  Yes, they can.
[1105.72 --> 1105.88]  Wow!
[1106.58 --> 1107.26]  Hot diggy.
[1107.56 --> 1108.16]  Wow!
[1109.76 --> 1110.48]  Nice one.
[1110.58 --> 1112.48]  Way to bring a round there.
[1112.64 --> 1116.04]  A perfect round, scoring 130 points.
[1117.00 --> 1117.36]  Wow.
[1117.36 --> 1118.06]  I think that's our first.
[1118.16 --> 1119.40]  I don't think we've ever done that before.
[1119.60 --> 1120.34]  We've never done that before.
[1120.34 --> 1121.86]  I don't think anyone's ever done that before,
[1121.98 --> 1123.24]  so congratulations, you two.
[1123.30 --> 1124.22]  Yeah, congratulations.
[1124.62 --> 1127.34]  You're asking the CSS podcast about CSS properties.
[1127.52 --> 1128.58]  You should see our next one.
[1128.62 --> 1129.94]  It's all about compression algorithms.
[1130.08 --> 1131.04]  These guys are going to kill it.
[1131.04 --> 1137.18]  Coming up, runners up, we had border, which had four mentions.
[1137.54 --> 1140.18]  Float had four, even some clear fix involved there.
[1140.74 --> 1142.84]  And then one person had debugging on the mind.
[1142.96 --> 1145.20]  They said border, thin, solid, red.
[1145.20 --> 1149.50]  So I think that's something we all can enjoy as well.
[1149.60 --> 1150.66]  All right, that's round two.
[1150.74 --> 1152.54]  After two rounds, let's award those points.
[1153.38 --> 1155.10]  CSS pod 182.
[1155.60 --> 1156.04]  Compressed.
[1156.80 --> 1158.30]  Y'all know what compressed score is.
[1158.36 --> 1159.26]  Let's not say it out loud.
[1159.50 --> 1159.66]  Okay.
[1159.88 --> 1162.38]  Round three.
[1162.38 --> 1166.56]  We go back to Yuna and James for the interface off.
[1166.70 --> 1167.42]  Step right up.
[1168.96 --> 1170.92]  And we'll let James go first.
[1171.04 --> 1176.94]  This time, we asked JS Party listeners to name their favorite coding website.
[1177.18 --> 1179.50]  The top five responses are on the board.
[1180.40 --> 1183.50]  James, if you can hit number one, don't give them a chance to play.
[1183.60 --> 1184.46]  I would suggest that.
[1184.94 --> 1186.10]  Oh, is that what we're supposed to do?
[1186.28 --> 1186.54]  Yeah.
[1186.62 --> 1188.46]  Is just do better than we're doing right now?
[1188.46 --> 1189.86]  Makes sense.
[1189.86 --> 1192.36]  If you score more points than them, you'll win.
[1192.58 --> 1193.38]  So that's my other strategy.
[1193.54 --> 1194.90]  Oh, it's a point game.
[1194.96 --> 1195.26]  Yes.
[1195.44 --> 1195.84]  I get it.
[1196.56 --> 1196.92]  Hmm.
[1197.12 --> 1202.22]  This is hard to think about what level the audience is at.
[1202.36 --> 1205.18]  But I'm going to go Free Code Camp.
[1205.94 --> 1206.46]  Okay.
[1206.82 --> 1209.46]  We asked our listeners about their favorite coding website.
[1209.72 --> 1213.06]  Is Free Code Camp one of the top five?
[1213.70 --> 1214.92]  Yes, it is.
[1215.18 --> 1217.28]  However, it's in the five slot.
[1217.62 --> 1217.86]  Beta.
[1217.86 --> 1222.12]  So that opens the board to Yuna for a chance to take it.
[1222.16 --> 1224.12]  Just have to match one through four.
[1224.70 --> 1225.30]  What do you think?
[1225.86 --> 1226.04]  Okay.
[1226.10 --> 1229.84]  My guess is GitHub as a coding website.
[1230.30 --> 1231.74]  Sounds like a safe guess.
[1232.36 --> 1233.96]  And it is a safe guess.
[1234.56 --> 1235.50]  Number three.
[1235.50 --> 1236.00]  Sorry, James.
[1236.32 --> 1236.60]  I know.
[1238.60 --> 1239.08]  Okay.
[1239.52 --> 1242.82]  So CSS Podcast plays the board again.
[1242.82 --> 1245.84]  They have GitHub.com at number three.
[1246.30 --> 1248.04]  FreeCodeCamp.org at number five.
[1248.76 --> 1251.00]  And there are slots one, two, and four still available.
[1251.50 --> 1252.62]  We go to Adam.
[1253.10 --> 1254.38]  Favorite coding website.
[1254.96 --> 1255.20]  All right.
[1255.20 --> 1259.30]  I'm pivoting because apparently I was not thinking like everyone else.
[1259.38 --> 1262.22]  And I have a whole list of names that I think are not good.
[1262.22 --> 1265.64]  So I'm going to pivot and say Front End Mentors.
[1266.16 --> 1266.46]  Okay.
[1266.54 --> 1267.58]  Show us Front End Mentors.
[1269.12 --> 1269.86]  I'm sorry.
[1269.96 --> 1270.88]  That did not make the board.
[1271.02 --> 1271.78]  Strike number one.
[1271.88 --> 1272.62]  Back to Yuna.
[1273.18 --> 1273.48]  All right.
[1273.66 --> 1277.42]  I had a couple thoughts, but I'm going to say ChatGPT.
[1278.80 --> 1281.10]  Show us ChatGPT.
[1283.02 --> 1284.60]  I for sure thought it would be on there.
[1284.86 --> 1286.20]  The plot thickens.
[1286.20 --> 1287.54]  If we were honest, it would be.
[1287.98 --> 1288.34]  Yeah.
[1288.34 --> 1290.88]  Is it a website?
[1291.08 --> 1292.60]  I guess it kind of is a website, isn't it?
[1292.64 --> 1293.42]  It's a website.
[1294.38 --> 1295.64]  OpenAI.chat or whatever.
[1295.74 --> 1296.78]  Chat.OpenAI.com.
[1297.38 --> 1298.18]  That's a good guess.
[1299.26 --> 1299.62]  That is a good guess.
[1299.62 --> 1300.12]  It was okay.
[1300.50 --> 1301.10]  I got mine.
[1301.24 --> 1303.00]  I'm just going to go back to my original train of thought.
[1303.42 --> 1303.80]  Okay.
[1303.90 --> 1304.48]  And say CodePen.
[1304.96 --> 1305.98]  Show us.
[1306.80 --> 1307.24]  CodePen.
[1308.52 --> 1309.46]  It's on there.
[1310.02 --> 1311.18]  Slotting in at number two.
[1311.36 --> 1311.92]  Good guess.
[1312.72 --> 1313.02]  Okay.
[1313.12 --> 1315.36]  So one and four are still blank.
[1315.36 --> 1318.36]  We have CodePen, GitHub, and FreeCodeCamp.
[1319.18 --> 1319.96]  Yuna, back to you.
[1320.56 --> 1320.88]  Okay.
[1321.02 --> 1325.84]  So on that same vein, I believe it's called CodeSandbox.
[1326.60 --> 1329.00]  It's a very similar vibe.
[1329.28 --> 1330.60]  So I'm going to go with that.
[1331.24 --> 1332.34]  CodeSandbox.
[1332.64 --> 1333.84]  Show us CodeSandbox.
[1336.12 --> 1337.98]  I'm sorry, but it's not.
[1337.98 --> 1338.76]  Is that not the name?
[1339.02 --> 1339.66]  That is the name.
[1339.68 --> 1340.26]  That's the right name.
[1340.46 --> 1340.70]  That's right.
[1340.86 --> 1341.18]  Okay.
[1341.54 --> 1344.30]  Just didn't quite hit the top five.
[1344.30 --> 1345.22]  Okay, guys.
[1345.30 --> 1346.32]  Here's your big opportunity.
[1347.02 --> 1349.74]  There are 48 points plus whatever you score.
[1349.86 --> 1354.48]  If you land number one or number four, you can confer and steal.
[1355.28 --> 1357.36]  I've got MDN just for like.
[1357.58 --> 1358.56]  Nobody said MDN.
[1358.92 --> 1362.48]  Yeah, but people don't typically love it.
[1362.78 --> 1366.00]  Or do we just go what everybody's thinking and you say Stack Overflow?
[1366.36 --> 1366.92]  Oh.
[1367.50 --> 1368.64]  Nobody said Stack Overflow.
[1368.66 --> 1370.46]  Do people love Stack Overflow?
[1370.46 --> 1375.74]  Nobody's mentioned CSS Tricks or what was that one that Chris Sev sold?
[1376.40 --> 1377.36]  Yeah, Scotch.
[1377.44 --> 1378.44]  To DO, Scotch.
[1378.82 --> 1379.98]  I feel like that would be lower though.
[1380.08 --> 1382.70]  CSS Tricks was like sold too, right?
[1382.72 --> 1384.38]  Yeah, it's kind of been dormant for a little bit.
[1384.48 --> 1387.56]  Which I feel like would still be up there, but it may be a little less top of mind.
[1387.76 --> 1387.96]  Yeah.
[1388.50 --> 1389.86]  I think MDN or Stack Overflow.
[1389.98 --> 1391.50]  Something with docs, I feel like.
[1391.68 --> 1391.98]  Yeah.
[1391.98 --> 1395.20]  I feel like people are more likely to say Stack Overflow.
[1395.36 --> 1396.10]  That's what I'm thinking.
[1396.50 --> 1397.46]  Let's lock it in then.
[1397.88 --> 1398.42]  Locking it in?
[1398.76 --> 1399.18]  All right.
[1399.32 --> 1401.00]  Stack Overflow for the steal.
[1401.34 --> 1402.22]  Is it a favorite?
[1402.68 --> 1403.14]  Come on.
[1404.14 --> 1406.16]  Yes, it is.
[1406.48 --> 1407.52]  At number four.
[1408.18 --> 1411.36]  See, this is what happens now that I know we're supposed to get points to win.
[1411.48 --> 1412.62]  Now we have our responses.
[1413.02 --> 1415.22]  I put that on my list, but I thought nobody would pick it.
[1415.28 --> 1416.76]  So I chose ChatDBT instead.
[1417.20 --> 1419.08]  So there's 60 points to steal there.
[1419.08 --> 1424.90]  We'll award those to Team Compressed, and we will reveal the favorite website of JSParty listeners.
[1425.34 --> 1426.58]  You guys are onto it.
[1426.68 --> 1429.52]  It's developer.mozilla.org.
[1429.58 --> 1430.04]  It is.
[1430.18 --> 1430.40]  Yes.
[1431.06 --> 1431.84]  Honorable mentions.
[1432.14 --> 1436.68]  This round, we have a mention of CSS Tricks pre-acquisition.
[1437.26 --> 1437.50]  Yeah.
[1437.58 --> 1439.72]  We have CSS Tricks with a frowny face.
[1440.50 --> 1443.88]  And we have CSS Tricks gone but not forgotten.
[1444.22 --> 1444.60]  Aw.
[1444.76 --> 1446.02]  Aw, rest in peace.
[1446.20 --> 1447.56]  That's the one that's still on there.
[1447.56 --> 1449.06]  It was definitely mentioned three times.
[1449.96 --> 1451.62]  All in such a manner.
[1451.84 --> 1452.12]  Okay.
[1452.30 --> 1453.32]  So you're on the board now.
[1453.38 --> 1454.36]  It's still anybody's game.
[1454.68 --> 1456.60]  There are three more rounds to play.
[1456.72 --> 1460.02]  And I didn't say at the beginning, but the last two rounds are double points.
[1460.50 --> 1463.06]  So in terms of the point spread, you guys have plenty of time to come back.
[1463.18 --> 1463.50]  All right.
[1464.30 --> 1467.06]  We move now to round four.
[1467.06 --> 1471.16]  This is the inverted round.
[1471.16 --> 1472.86]  So it doesn't work like regular rounds.
[1472.94 --> 1474.40]  There's no interface off.
[1474.86 --> 1478.92]  There's simply passing back and forth of opportunities to guess.
[1479.64 --> 1482.66]  And you're trying to match the board, but you're actually trying to match the bottom side of the board.
[1482.80 --> 1486.68]  So you want the least popular of the most popular responses.
[1486.68 --> 1491.32]  The lower on the board you are, the higher the points scored.
[1491.54 --> 1493.58]  So we'll just alternate between teams.
[1493.70 --> 1496.46]  We will start with compress since you won the previous round.
[1496.56 --> 1497.68]  And we'll go with Brad.
[1497.90 --> 1503.22]  We asked our listeners to name the first HTML element that comes to your mind.
[1503.46 --> 1508.58]  As a reminder, you do not want to guess the most popular one because you'll score less points that way.
[1508.92 --> 1509.44]  What do you think?
[1509.64 --> 1509.84]  Okay.
[1510.34 --> 1512.30]  Popular, but not popular.
[1512.76 --> 1513.24]  Exactly.
[1513.78 --> 1515.08]  Not too popular.
[1515.26 --> 1518.04]  You know, paragraph, the P tag.
[1518.20 --> 1520.48]  It's run of the mill, gets the job done.
[1520.72 --> 1521.52]  Right down the middle.
[1521.72 --> 1522.72]  Not top of mind.
[1522.80 --> 1524.08]  You know it, but you don't love it.
[1524.14 --> 1524.42]  Okay.
[1524.60 --> 1526.48]  I know what you're thinking about there.
[1526.58 --> 1527.06]  Let's see.
[1527.14 --> 1529.18]  Is the P tag anywhere on the list?
[1530.16 --> 1531.06]  Yes, it is.
[1531.12 --> 1532.32]  And it's right there in the middle.
[1532.44 --> 1532.66]  Come on.
[1532.68 --> 1534.06]  Right at number four.
[1534.70 --> 1535.14]  Okay.
[1535.44 --> 1535.86]  That's good.
[1535.86 --> 1537.76]  So nine people said the P tag.
[1537.88 --> 1539.18]  That scores you 20 points.
[1539.36 --> 1540.80]  So we will go ahead and award those.
[1540.80 --> 1543.26]  And we'll go over to Adam now.
[1543.78 --> 1545.86]  There are six answers on the board.
[1546.28 --> 1546.66]  All right.
[1547.02 --> 1549.36]  I'm going to say the image tag.
[1549.86 --> 1551.98]  Show me image at five.
[1552.70 --> 1554.50]  Show Adam image at five.
[1555.30 --> 1556.42]  I'm sorry.
[1556.66 --> 1558.84]  The image is just too obscure.
[1559.26 --> 1560.18]  We go now to James.
[1560.80 --> 1561.34]  Hmm.
[1562.20 --> 1563.42]  I'm going to go span.
[1563.94 --> 1564.38]  Hmm.
[1564.90 --> 1565.52]  Show span.
[1566.96 --> 1567.94]  Oh, no.
[1568.14 --> 1568.60]  Sorry.
[1568.60 --> 1569.68]  Also too obscure.
[1570.08 --> 1570.52]  Yuna.
[1570.92 --> 1572.34]  Oh, there's so many options.
[1572.50 --> 1577.20]  But which one is just popular enough yet obscure enough?
[1577.76 --> 1578.12]  All right.
[1578.32 --> 1580.18]  I'm going to go with L.I.
[1580.48 --> 1581.44]  For list item.
[1581.78 --> 1582.22]  Hmm.
[1582.72 --> 1584.18]  Show us list item.
[1586.06 --> 1586.90]  Oh, boy.
[1587.10 --> 1587.42]  Why?
[1587.58 --> 1589.08]  We're in the land of too obscure here.
[1589.14 --> 1590.48]  We got to go a little more mainstream.
[1590.62 --> 1591.80]  Y'all are making me feel better, though.
[1591.96 --> 1592.32]  It's cool.
[1594.34 --> 1595.28]  You're up again, Brad.
[1595.80 --> 1597.86]  I'm going to go for body.
[1597.86 --> 1597.94]  Body.
[1598.60 --> 1600.50]  Show Brad body.
[1601.66 --> 1602.76]  You got it.
[1602.82 --> 1605.56]  And the least popular of the most popular.
[1605.92 --> 1606.26]  Wow.
[1607.20 --> 1607.94]  Oh, nice.
[1608.44 --> 1610.58]  I definitely would have thought that would be at the top.
[1611.12 --> 1612.16]  Five people said body.
[1612.36 --> 1613.94]  And so it's worth 30 points.
[1614.02 --> 1614.88]  We'll award those now.
[1615.28 --> 1615.80]  Nice.
[1616.14 --> 1617.20]  Already closing the gap.
[1617.28 --> 1618.04]  Compressed at 110.
[1618.34 --> 1619.70]  CSS bought at 182.
[1620.30 --> 1621.26]  Back to Adam.
[1621.34 --> 1623.48]  There's still four things left to match.
[1624.20 --> 1625.34]  What is button?
[1625.88 --> 1626.98]  This isn't Jeopardy.
[1626.98 --> 1628.40]  Are you just asking me what a button is?
[1628.40 --> 1632.04]  Why don't people use the button?
[1632.44 --> 1634.62]  Why do they keep abusing A tags?
[1635.18 --> 1637.00]  What is button?
[1638.70 --> 1639.70]  Button is wrong.
[1639.80 --> 1640.50]  That's what button is.
[1640.72 --> 1640.98]  All right.
[1641.26 --> 1642.62]  Button shame is what it is.
[1643.08 --> 1643.18]  Dang.
[1643.24 --> 1643.56]  Yes.
[1644.04 --> 1648.08]  This is really hard to gauge when you're going on the board but low.
[1648.42 --> 1648.82]  Right.
[1649.50 --> 1649.94]  Div.
[1650.78 --> 1651.78]  Show us div.
[1652.70 --> 1653.18]  Yes.
[1653.18 --> 1653.68]  Really?
[1654.20 --> 1655.32]  It's got to be number one, right?
[1655.52 --> 1656.62]  Number one.
[1656.74 --> 1657.10]  Yeah.
[1657.10 --> 1658.36]  It's hard to find that middle ground.
[1658.56 --> 1659.88]  Hey, five points is five points.
[1660.00 --> 1660.64]  So just take it.
[1660.66 --> 1660.88]  That's right.
[1660.90 --> 1661.64]  Take the money and run.
[1661.78 --> 1662.10]  All right.
[1662.70 --> 1663.96]  We are back at Una.
[1664.60 --> 1664.94]  Okay.
[1664.96 --> 1666.38]  I'm going to go with main.
[1666.80 --> 1667.44]  Show us main.
[1669.54 --> 1670.44]  Not on the board.
[1671.16 --> 1671.54]  One.
[1671.90 --> 1673.08]  Four and six are taken.
[1673.22 --> 1675.00]  Slots two, three, and five are still out there.
[1675.08 --> 1676.44]  Brad, what do you think?
[1677.14 --> 1677.50]  HTML.
[1678.12 --> 1678.94]  The HTML element.
[1681.26 --> 1682.06]  Show us HTML.
[1683.96 --> 1685.12]  Not top of mind.
[1685.46 --> 1686.32]  Not top of mind.
[1686.66 --> 1688.62]  There are so many choices here, aren't there?
[1688.72 --> 1688.94]  Okay.
[1689.04 --> 1689.34]  Adam.
[1689.74 --> 1690.92]  I need to get one.
[1691.12 --> 1693.94]  Now at this point, I'm just like, okay, the anchor tag, the A tag.
[1694.46 --> 1696.52]  I tried button, but maybe this one's all there.
[1697.30 --> 1697.60]  Please.
[1697.60 --> 1700.00]  I think people like anchors quite a bit more than buttons.
[1700.68 --> 1701.70]  And they sure do.
[1701.80 --> 1703.86]  It is the number two response.
[1704.12 --> 1704.88]  13 people.
[1705.14 --> 1706.24]  So worth 10 points.
[1706.32 --> 1707.20]  We'll award those now.
[1707.50 --> 1708.76]  Go back to James.
[1709.26 --> 1709.70]  Ugh.
[1710.04 --> 1710.88]  I don't like it.
[1713.28 --> 1716.36]  Let's go script tag.
[1716.92 --> 1717.90]  Show us script.
[1719.16 --> 1719.68]  Dang.
[1719.70 --> 1721.06]  No scripts on this page.
[1721.18 --> 1721.34]  Una.
[1722.06 --> 1724.30]  How about the nav tag?
[1724.56 --> 1726.02]  It's usually one of the first elements.
[1726.92 --> 1727.40]  Build.
[1728.14 --> 1728.94]  Show us nav.
[1729.06 --> 1729.56]  There are sites.
[1731.34 --> 1731.88]  No, ma'am.
[1732.60 --> 1733.70]  Brad, back to you.
[1733.76 --> 1733.88]  Dang.
[1733.88 --> 1735.10]  The head tag.
[1735.76 --> 1737.82]  Show us the head tag.
[1738.90 --> 1740.00]  It's in there.
[1740.00 --> 1742.14]  And at number five.
[1742.26 --> 1742.54]  Yes.
[1742.54 --> 1743.62]  25 points.
[1743.62 --> 1744.72]  Brad's on fire.
[1745.34 --> 1745.68]  Yes.
[1745.68 --> 1745.82]  Wow.
[1746.14 --> 1751.12]  That leaves us with just one element left at number three.
[1751.94 --> 1753.84]  Adam, a chance to score some points here.
[1754.38 --> 1754.82]  Yes.
[1754.82 --> 1758.28]  I choose based on what's on the board there.
[1759.06 --> 1759.46]  H1.
[1760.00 --> 1760.48]  Hmm.
[1760.48 --> 1761.06]  Good guess.
[1761.14 --> 1761.42]  Oh, yeah.
[1761.50 --> 1762.66]  Nobody said headers yet.
[1762.96 --> 1763.28]  Yeah.
[1763.44 --> 1764.04]  I forgot about that.
[1764.04 --> 1766.10]  Why don't you start at H2 or H3 is my question.
[1766.96 --> 1767.36]  Okay.
[1767.94 --> 1768.64]  Show us H1.
[1768.64 --> 1768.92]  Accessibility.
[1768.92 --> 1770.94]  It would be more obscure than H1.
[1771.10 --> 1773.22]  But you are absolutely right.
[1773.32 --> 1773.58]  Yes.
[1773.58 --> 1775.06]  H1 is right in there.
[1775.12 --> 1775.74]  Number three.
[1775.94 --> 1776.88]  Worth 10 points.
[1777.90 --> 1779.32]  We will award those to your team.
[1779.32 --> 1779.68]  Cool game.
[1779.94 --> 1780.64]  15 points.
[1780.64 --> 1780.66]  Now.
[1781.14 --> 1786.94]  So in order of appearance, div A, H1, P, head, and body.
[1787.10 --> 1789.24]  After round four, the inverted round.
[1790.18 --> 1791.42]  The gap is tight.
[1791.42 --> 1798.14]  We have CSS Pod still in the lead with 207, but Compressed FM with 140.
[1798.72 --> 1800.34]  So it's anybody's game.
[1800.84 --> 1804.12]  And facing off in round five is Brad versus Adam.
[1806.72 --> 1808.84]  Starting with Adam this time.
[1808.92 --> 1810.46]  This is a double point round.
[1810.98 --> 1812.72]  So a lot of points on the board.
[1812.82 --> 1814.18]  We asked JS Party listeners.
[1814.92 --> 1818.54]  In a word, software development makes me blank.
[1818.82 --> 1821.08]  They're supposed to fill in that blank.
[1821.42 --> 1823.06]  With one word.
[1823.80 --> 1827.24]  Adam, which word do you think they filled in the blank with?
[1827.24 --> 1830.18]  I'm going to go first with money.
[1830.60 --> 1832.80]  Software development makes me money.
[1833.70 --> 1834.46]  Yes.
[1834.70 --> 1835.84]  It does.
[1836.10 --> 1837.44]  And they said that.
[1837.78 --> 1839.64]  Number two answer.
[1840.36 --> 1846.66]  30 people said either money or rich or cash or those kind of things.
[1846.90 --> 1849.48]  So yes, worth 60 points.
[1849.48 --> 1852.16]  But still the number one answer out there.
[1852.26 --> 1856.80]  So Brad, if you can stay on fire, hit number one, then you guys play this board.
[1856.86 --> 1857.94]  And there's lots of points out there.
[1858.24 --> 1861.96]  I think the question is whether to go positive or negative here.
[1862.06 --> 1865.88]  And I suppose, you know, we're all doing it because we like it.
[1865.88 --> 1869.76]  So I'm going to say some version of software development makes me happy.
[1869.76 --> 1872.42]  We know it makes us money slash rich.
[1872.52 --> 1873.86]  Does it make us happy?
[1874.38 --> 1875.66]  Yes, it does.
[1875.72 --> 1877.62]  But at what slot is the happiness?
[1878.12 --> 1879.28]  It's at number one.
[1879.38 --> 1879.78]  Look at that.
[1879.78 --> 1880.08]  Wow.
[1880.34 --> 1880.72]  Nice.
[1881.72 --> 1884.54]  Brad is streaking over here.
[1884.54 --> 1887.14]  And compressed gets to play this round.
[1887.14 --> 1894.40]  They already have 146 points on the board and three answers left to match.
[1894.56 --> 1896.20]  So we go to James.
[1896.78 --> 1899.44]  In a word, software development makes me blank.
[1899.94 --> 1900.92]  What are you thinking?
[1901.48 --> 1902.38]  I'll go negative.
[1903.28 --> 1903.90]  Tired.
[1904.34 --> 1905.20]  Show us tired.
[1906.14 --> 1907.20]  You got it.
[1907.24 --> 1908.32]  Number four answer.
[1908.52 --> 1911.14]  Tired, stressed, and that also.
[1911.48 --> 1912.00]  You yawns.
[1915.18 --> 1916.22]  Well timed.
[1916.22 --> 1916.74]  Yes.
[1917.44 --> 1918.04]  All right.
[1918.28 --> 1919.20]  No strikes yet.
[1919.70 --> 1922.68]  Two answers left to take round five.
[1922.82 --> 1923.44]  Back to you, Brad.
[1923.86 --> 1926.62]  We spend most of our time dealing with bugs, probably.
[1926.92 --> 1930.24]  So maybe some form of like frustrated.
[1930.88 --> 1931.68]  Show us frustrated.
[1933.32 --> 1933.92]  Yes.
[1934.40 --> 1935.24]  Number five answer.
[1935.40 --> 1937.84]  Angry slash grumpy slash frustrated.
[1938.38 --> 1940.82]  Six people answered that worth 12 points.
[1940.92 --> 1943.68]  So you got all but the number three answer so far.
[1943.68 --> 1944.84]  No strikes.
[1945.18 --> 1946.16]  182 points.
[1946.22 --> 1948.46]  This will take the lead if you can finish this board.
[1948.96 --> 1949.92]  Looking good, guys.
[1949.98 --> 1950.52]  What do you think, James?
[1951.16 --> 1952.28]  How much time do I have?
[1952.86 --> 1953.56]  Three seconds.
[1954.62 --> 1955.44]  I don't know.
[1955.80 --> 1957.62]  Are you going to leave or are you going to come back?
[1958.48 --> 1958.84]  No.
[1958.96 --> 1959.22]  Sorry.
[1959.32 --> 1960.70]  I just have no idea.
[1960.92 --> 1961.20]  Okay.
[1961.64 --> 1962.62]  Well, it makes me.
[1963.00 --> 1964.40]  Well, I can stall for you while you think.
[1964.40 --> 1969.70]  So at number one worth 86 points, 43 people said happy or fulfilled.
[1970.20 --> 1972.16]  Number two is money and rich.
[1972.26 --> 1972.86]  30 people.
[1973.34 --> 1975.24]  Number four was tired and stressed.
[1975.42 --> 1976.00]  12 people.
[1976.22 --> 1978.60]  And number five was angry and grumpy.
[1979.26 --> 1980.04]  Six people.
[1980.04 --> 1982.58]  I'll go confused.
[1982.58 --> 1983.80]  That's good.
[1984.80 --> 1988.12]  Does software development make people confused?
[1988.92 --> 1989.68]  I'm sorry.
[1989.80 --> 1991.82]  Not enough to match the board.
[1991.96 --> 1992.90]  So there's your first strike.
[1993.38 --> 1995.22]  But there's just one answer left.
[1995.28 --> 1997.04]  So it's definitely not easy pickings at this point.
[1997.14 --> 1997.40]  Brad.
[1997.40 --> 2002.16]  I'm going to go with software dev makes me burned out.
[2002.76 --> 2005.00]  I'm going to call that a duplicate under tired and stressed.
[2005.50 --> 2005.62]  Okay.
[2006.32 --> 2007.62]  So guess another one.
[2007.82 --> 2008.38]  Okay.
[2008.68 --> 2010.96]  How about creative?
[2011.72 --> 2016.80]  Does software development make our listeners creative to take the entire board?
[2018.00 --> 2018.60]  Yes.
[2018.80 --> 2019.36]  Yes.
[2019.52 --> 2019.88]  It does.
[2019.88 --> 2021.02]  Number three answer.
[2021.18 --> 2024.56]  This was grouped into excited, stimulated, and creative.
[2025.08 --> 2026.06]  These things were grouped together.
[2026.06 --> 2027.88]  And so you got it, James.
[2028.00 --> 2028.44]  Very good.
[2028.52 --> 2031.80]  That's 207 points in this round alone.
[2031.94 --> 2032.84]  No chance to steal.
[2032.96 --> 2034.14]  So we will award those points.
[2034.30 --> 2037.26]  And with that, compressed has 347.
[2037.40 --> 2038.66]  And the lead.
[2038.76 --> 2038.78]  Wow.
[2038.78 --> 2039.40]  The lead.
[2039.66 --> 2042.50]  And CSS podcast has one last chance.
[2042.92 --> 2044.30]  You sure you don't want to just call it?
[2044.80 --> 2045.54]  One last chance.
[2046.22 --> 2047.32]  Let's do this, Adam.
[2047.80 --> 2049.52]  I feel like five rounds is plenty.
[2049.72 --> 2050.52]  I'm getting kind of tired.
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[2141.64 --> 2147.50]  Now, round six for the first time in front-end feud history is both double points and inverted.
[2147.78 --> 2149.00]  So this one might get crazy.
[2149.46 --> 2150.02]  What?
[2150.52 --> 2152.44]  Double points and inverted.
[2152.44 --> 2157.00]  So everything's doubled, and we play inverted style, so there will be no face-off.
[2157.12 --> 2161.84]  We asked our listeners to name the first protocol that comes to their mind,
[2161.84 --> 2164.62]  and we'll start with CSS pod with Yuna.
[2165.16 --> 2169.94]  The first that comes to my mind is HTTP or HTTPS.
[2170.20 --> 2172.10]  Okay, show me HTTP.
[2173.34 --> 2176.90]  It's in there, and it's the most selected answer.
[2177.56 --> 2181.48]  92 people actually said that out of 167.
[2181.48 --> 2182.50]  So that's a huge number.
[2182.88 --> 2186.40]  And we'll award you worth 10 points, so you're closing the gap.
[2186.48 --> 2188.08]  And we go now over to James.
[2188.52 --> 2190.30]  I think this counts as a protocol.
[2190.44 --> 2191.16]  I'll go GraphQL.
[2191.78 --> 2192.96]  Show us GraphQL.
[2195.20 --> 2196.08]  Sorry, no.
[2196.96 --> 2197.44]  Adam.
[2198.14 --> 2198.58]  WebSocket.
[2198.96 --> 2200.04]  So like the WS.
[2200.52 --> 2200.78]  Gotcha.
[2201.22 --> 2202.14]  Show us WebSockets.
[2203.82 --> 2204.56]  Sorry, no.
[2205.14 --> 2205.44]  Wow.
[2205.44 --> 2206.52]  So over to Brad.
[2206.94 --> 2210.80]  Okay, it's inverted, so it's a protocol, but it's not popular.
[2211.06 --> 2212.34]  I'm going to go with TCP.
[2213.40 --> 2214.52]  Show us TCP.
[2215.72 --> 2218.68]  It is in there as a number three slot.
[2218.80 --> 2220.84]  So 13 people worth 30 points.
[2220.96 --> 2223.04]  That's a nice number there.
[2223.04 --> 2224.60]  We go back over to Yuna.
[2225.08 --> 2225.46]  Okay.
[2225.72 --> 2229.16]  I'm going to go with file transfer protocol or FTP.
[2229.82 --> 2232.80]  FTP, the old file transfer protocol.
[2232.98 --> 2233.14]  Yeah.
[2233.38 --> 2234.56]  What we used to use.
[2234.58 --> 2237.30]  In my day, we FTP'd our files around.
[2237.70 --> 2240.18]  And apparently in JS Party listeners' day as well.
[2240.96 --> 2242.98]  That one's on there and it's down near the bottom.
[2243.08 --> 2243.48]  Good job.
[2243.58 --> 2245.38]  Number four worth 40 points.
[2245.72 --> 2246.14]  Nice.
[2246.68 --> 2246.90]  Dang.
[2247.20 --> 2248.76]  Awarded to CSS Podcast.
[2249.22 --> 2249.56]  Okay.
[2250.38 --> 2251.52]  Back over to James.
[2251.60 --> 2252.82]  There's still two slots left.
[2252.88 --> 2254.10]  Number two and number five.
[2254.10 --> 2258.62]  I'm going to go rest, which may be lumped together with HTTP.
[2259.22 --> 2259.98]  Show us rest.
[2261.28 --> 2262.12]  Oh, no.
[2262.40 --> 2262.68]  No.
[2262.84 --> 2264.14]  No rest for the weary.
[2264.44 --> 2264.78]  Adam.
[2265.64 --> 2266.64]  Oh, nice one.
[2267.16 --> 2267.54]  I'm sorry.
[2269.46 --> 2270.58]  That was good, Jared.
[2271.24 --> 2273.22]  You're going to get arrested for that joke.
[2273.62 --> 2274.04]  Oh.
[2274.56 --> 2275.12]  That's worse.
[2275.28 --> 2276.12]  That was a worse joke.
[2276.56 --> 2277.06]  It was worse.
[2277.14 --> 2277.88]  Way worse.
[2277.98 --> 2278.42]  Yours was better.
[2278.74 --> 2281.86]  I'm going to go with TLS because it's probably not right.
[2282.04 --> 2283.14]  But I'm going to say it anyway.
[2284.10 --> 2284.64]  That's a good reason.
[2285.54 --> 2286.62]  Show us TLS.
[2287.76 --> 2288.46]  Not right.
[2288.68 --> 2289.08]  Not right.
[2290.50 --> 2290.86]  Brad.
[2291.52 --> 2292.90]  I'm going to kind of go bold here.
[2293.24 --> 2295.30]  We've got TCP, so let's do UDP.
[2296.02 --> 2296.64]  Going bold.
[2296.76 --> 2297.40]  Show us UDP.
[2299.26 --> 2299.84]  Too bold.
[2299.88 --> 2302.40]  The universal display protocol.
[2302.62 --> 2303.06]  What is UDP?
[2304.02 --> 2304.78]  Something data.
[2304.92 --> 2305.38]  I don't know.
[2305.56 --> 2305.74]  Yeah.
[2305.92 --> 2306.10]  Fun.
[2306.26 --> 2306.42]  Okay.
[2306.66 --> 2307.02]  Datagram.
[2307.60 --> 2308.72]  Universal datagram protocol.
[2308.82 --> 2309.28]  That's a guess.
[2309.54 --> 2309.82]  I don't remember.
[2309.82 --> 2310.80]  Una's data protocol.
[2311.02 --> 2311.64]  Yeah, it's yours.
[2311.82 --> 2312.22]  You own it.
[2312.36 --> 2312.68]  Nailed it.
[2313.28 --> 2313.60]  All right.
[2313.60 --> 2316.14]  You know, what's your data protocol for this next guess?
[2317.88 --> 2318.28]  Okay.
[2318.46 --> 2322.56]  So I'm thinking it's kind of out there, but it's the next one that comes to mind, which
[2322.56 --> 2325.30]  is IMAP or like the messaging one for email.
[2325.46 --> 2326.12]  Ah, email.
[2326.38 --> 2326.66]  Okay.
[2327.14 --> 2328.14]  Show us IMAP.
[2330.76 --> 2332.24]  They're getting hard to come by.
[2332.32 --> 2333.72]  Number two and number five.
[2334.36 --> 2334.76]  Elusive.
[2335.00 --> 2335.28]  James.
[2336.68 --> 2338.56]  Let's go IP.
[2339.10 --> 2340.20]  Internet protocol.
[2340.20 --> 2341.26]  IP address.
[2341.48 --> 2342.16]  Show us.
[2342.32 --> 2343.16]  Internet protocol.
[2343.16 --> 2344.08]  Sounds legit.
[2344.28 --> 2344.38]  Yeah.
[2346.94 --> 2347.64]  It's legit.
[2347.90 --> 2348.22]  Yes.
[2348.32 --> 2349.34]  Number five.
[2349.74 --> 2352.06]  It's the least popular of the most popular.
[2352.44 --> 2352.50]  Yes.
[2352.62 --> 2352.98]  Dang.
[2353.36 --> 2354.86]  Worth 50 points.
[2354.94 --> 2355.76]  Holy cow.
[2356.50 --> 2359.04]  And we go back to Adam.
[2359.16 --> 2360.62]  There's just a number two slot on the board.
[2360.62 --> 2365.28]  I will say that in this particular category, I did zero lumping.
[2365.36 --> 2366.28]  There is no lumping.
[2366.80 --> 2368.34]  And I will say that that might be a hint.
[2368.48 --> 2369.04]  You're up, Adam.
[2369.32 --> 2373.56]  I'm just going to say what I was going to say without your tip because lumping is, there's
[2373.56 --> 2375.50]  no lumping protocol.
[2377.08 --> 2378.58]  That's how I like my potatoes though.
[2378.68 --> 2379.14]  Give me some lumps.
[2379.14 --> 2379.92]  I like LARPing.
[2380.10 --> 2380.26]  Yeah.
[2380.26 --> 2381.88]  Is that a protocol?
[2382.18 --> 2383.88]  Is that a live action role protocol?
[2384.32 --> 2385.14]  LARP protocol?
[2385.22 --> 2386.40]  It should be if it's not one yet.
[2386.42 --> 2387.76]  I'm going to say SMTP.
[2388.18 --> 2390.22]  The Simple Mail Transfer Protocol.
[2391.60 --> 2392.34]  No, sir.
[2392.76 --> 2393.18]  Rats.
[2393.30 --> 2394.96]  But thanks for ignoring my tip.
[2395.92 --> 2396.90]  I got your tip.
[2397.00 --> 2397.58]  I heard it loud.
[2397.58 --> 2398.24]  No, that's...
[2398.24 --> 2399.06]  Brad heard my tip.
[2399.24 --> 2399.78]  Come on, Brad.
[2399.96 --> 2400.20]  Yeah.
[2401.02 --> 2402.28]  It's HTTPS.
[2402.76 --> 2403.22]  That a boy.
[2403.26 --> 2403.60]  The other.
[2403.60 --> 2403.90]  Yes.
[2404.24 --> 2406.50]  Oh, Brad is picking up what I'm putting down.
[2406.50 --> 2408.18]  He's picking up what I'm putting down.
[2408.18 --> 2408.62]  Yeah.
[2409.16 --> 2410.00]  You got it.
[2411.06 --> 2411.58]  HTTPS.
[2412.70 --> 2414.40]  That's the smoothest clue ever.
[2414.46 --> 2415.38]  No lumps there.
[2415.78 --> 2416.62]  Lots of points though.
[2416.80 --> 2417.80]  20 of them.
[2417.82 --> 2419.80]  I did say HTTPS with HTTPS.
[2419.82 --> 2424.14]  You said HTTP or HTTPS and I gave you HTTP because...
[2424.14 --> 2425.66]  Why didn't you give me the more points?
[2425.80 --> 2426.56]  Why didn't you give me HTTPS?
[2426.56 --> 2428.98]  I tried to give them to Adam and he wouldn't listen to my tip.
[2431.46 --> 2435.56]  Anyway, we're getting killed right now by these compressed folks.
[2435.56 --> 2436.12]  Folks.
[2436.28 --> 2439.94]  Other answers that happened was one person answered Morse code.
[2440.26 --> 2440.58]  Classic.
[2440.66 --> 2441.52]  Definitely a protocol.
[2441.68 --> 2446.08]  One person said Steve and then one person said the first one.
[2446.42 --> 2449.20]  We asked them to name the first protocol and they said the first one.
[2449.36 --> 2451.98]  So you're real smarty, aren't you?
[2452.18 --> 2453.92]  I bet Steve created the first one too.
[2454.14 --> 2454.88]  You might have.
[2455.30 --> 2456.20]  Just the titles together.
[2456.20 --> 2457.20]  Sounds very sci-fi.
[2458.16 --> 2460.22]  Well, I apologize, CSS pod.
[2460.36 --> 2462.92]  There's no comeback here because we are out of rounds.
[2463.46 --> 2463.70]  Wow.
[2463.70 --> 2465.44]  Literally got to the end of the podcast.
[2465.74 --> 2470.18]  After round six, Compressed has 447 points.
[2470.36 --> 2474.70]  CSS pod with an admirable, but losing 257 points.
[2476.20 --> 2481.26]  And so after six rounds in play, our brand new Front End View champions are James and Brad
[2481.26 --> 2482.24]  from Compressed FM.
[2484.08 --> 2485.14]  Congrats, y'all.
[2485.26 --> 2485.86]  You killed it.
[2486.06 --> 2486.68]  Fun game.
[2487.08 --> 2487.60]  Thank you.
[2487.64 --> 2488.34]  That was super fun.
[2488.34 --> 2493.66]  So here we are post game.
[2493.84 --> 2497.82]  It's now time for our exit interview of our new champs.
[2497.94 --> 2499.88]  Brad, you were on fire out there.
[2500.48 --> 2503.34]  To what can you give credit to your play today?
[2503.42 --> 2504.32]  I mean, just spectacular.
[2505.36 --> 2508.54]  For some reason, those inverted rounds really clicked with me.
[2508.88 --> 2512.26]  You know, I was just like something good, but not too good.
[2512.46 --> 2513.78]  Yeah, you were really on fire on the inverted.
[2513.78 --> 2519.90]  And James, I can't say you had the quickest answers, if I may continue my pun game, but
[2519.90 --> 2521.16]  pretty accurate.
[2521.50 --> 2522.24]  Good job, man.
[2522.38 --> 2523.18]  How did you like it?
[2524.06 --> 2524.88]  I loved it.
[2524.88 --> 2528.16]  I was just glad to be on Brad's team, though, because he definitely carried us.
[2529.32 --> 2530.28]  That was super fun.
[2530.66 --> 2531.48]  I think you're right.
[2531.54 --> 2532.70]  Brad was definitely the MVP.
[2533.18 --> 2536.72]  Adam and Yuna, three-time champs, put up another valiant effort.
[2536.80 --> 2538.12]  You guys were off to a hot start.
[2538.22 --> 2539.88]  I thought maybe you were going to run away with it again.
[2539.98 --> 2540.70]  We couldn't win again.
[2540.70 --> 2544.16]  The inverted rounds kind of, you guys struggled on the inverted rounds a little bit.
[2544.26 --> 2546.56]  I'm wondering what you might attribute that to.
[2547.18 --> 2549.76]  I think it's a tribute to Brad killing it on those rounds.
[2549.86 --> 2550.88]  That's what it's attributed to.
[2551.50 --> 2552.22]  Brad was scary.
[2552.46 --> 2553.40]  He's bringing the spice.
[2554.04 --> 2556.62]  You know, it's a hot, hot answers, hot takes.
[2556.76 --> 2557.18]  It's good.
[2558.50 --> 2561.44]  You know, I'm going to take away something from this session, though.
[2561.48 --> 2564.22]  I'm taking away some interior design tips from James and Brad.
[2564.36 --> 2566.30]  So we're not all going home empty-handed.
[2568.26 --> 2569.38]  Don't forget to paint the ceiling.
[2569.38 --> 2570.88]  Always look at the positive side.
[2571.02 --> 2573.68]  Have a good takeaway after losing your crown.
[2574.70 --> 2577.10]  But you guys have been such awesome players.
[2577.24 --> 2578.34]  How many times in a row?
[2578.46 --> 2579.28]  It's been ridiculous.
[2579.44 --> 2583.22]  I have to say I was a little excited to see Brad hit fire there just because, you know,
[2583.28 --> 2585.04]  variety is the spice of life.
[2585.16 --> 2588.62]  That being said, we love having you guys on the pod all the time.
[2588.72 --> 2591.22]  Definitely maybe come back for some front-end feuds.
[2591.32 --> 2594.86]  I think what would be cool would be to bring back past front-end feuders,
[2594.86 --> 2599.56]  but then mix the teams up so it's not like podcast versus podcast, but it's like a mix and mash.
[2599.64 --> 2602.00]  We can kind of do something like that.
[2602.04 --> 2603.08]  Would you be up for something like that?
[2603.70 --> 2603.96]  Absolutely.
[2604.18 --> 2604.50]  Sounds fun.
[2604.58 --> 2605.24]  Yeah, this game's fun.
[2605.32 --> 2611.16]  I'd also like to come up with my own questions and ask you, Jared, if you can mash the shenanigans.
[2612.06 --> 2613.38]  What are Jared's top answers?
[2613.62 --> 2614.88]  I would absolutely love that.
[2615.18 --> 2618.86]  We should have a front-end feud CSS podcast edition where it's like your guys' show.
[2618.96 --> 2619.68]  You run the thing.
[2620.08 --> 2621.48]  The game board's all out there.
[2621.52 --> 2622.72]  Open source will show how to use it.
[2623.34 --> 2624.90]  And, you know, different audience.
[2625.04 --> 2628.76]  I will say, so to the very first round, name your favorite,
[2629.30 --> 2631.52]  the name of the person who made your favorite library or framework.
[2632.00 --> 2634.64]  Now, Zach Latherman's a friend of mine, known him for a long time.
[2635.14 --> 2636.20]  Elevany's an awesome project.
[2636.20 --> 2637.58]  He deserves to be on that list.
[2637.58 --> 2641.20]  But I will say that because it is JS Party listeners and because you all know,
[2641.68 --> 2644.46]  we were coming up short on responses for a while.
[2644.54 --> 2648.74]  We had like 65 and we needed 100 in hours to be able to play.
[2649.16 --> 2652.82]  And so I asked you all to, you know, post about it on your socials, which you did.
[2653.10 --> 2654.46]  And Zach also did.
[2654.54 --> 2659.44]  And so he had a lot of respondents from his following fill out the survey.
[2659.52 --> 2660.32]  Oh, so Zach filled it out.
[2660.40 --> 2661.34]  Yeah, exactly.
[2662.80 --> 2666.48]  And so thankfully we actually blew through our 100-mark threshold.
[2666.48 --> 2668.88]  I think we had like 160 something, which was awesome.
[2669.32 --> 2671.00]  So we appreciate everybody who took time.
[2671.08 --> 2676.38]  I know that survey is kind of fun, but it's also longer than you expect it to be
[2676.38 --> 2678.76]  because there's a lot of people that like look at it and then they just leave.
[2678.82 --> 2679.80]  Because there's 30 questions.
[2679.92 --> 2680.94]  It takes you a little bit of time.
[2681.00 --> 2685.56]  The reason why we do that is we can now play a handful of games without doing a survey every single time.
[2686.26 --> 2690.08]  But that is one of the reasons why like what, you know, no disrespect to Zach at all.
[2690.14 --> 2690.62]  He's amazing.
[2690.62 --> 2694.60]  But like there's some names not in that list that are like pretty popular names.
[2694.60 --> 2696.04]  And Zach was number four.
[2696.12 --> 2700.10]  And I think probably because it's just skewed to us is why it's like that.
[2700.16 --> 2705.38]  So I say all that to say if we had more of these games with different audiences filling them out,
[2705.48 --> 2707.42]  it might be interesting to see how they play out.
[2707.58 --> 2709.16]  The HTML question was hard.
[2709.48 --> 2710.12]  That one was.
[2710.20 --> 2711.30]  There's so many elements.
[2711.50 --> 2713.58]  But the CSS one, you guys just drilled it.
[2713.64 --> 2715.42]  I think we never had a round like that before.
[2715.98 --> 2716.38]  Unbelievable.
[2716.78 --> 2717.88]  Oh, yeah, that was the perfect one.
[2717.98 --> 2718.16]  Yeah.
[2718.66 --> 2720.26]  Yeah, it was very defeating for a little while.
[2720.26 --> 2724.44]  The protocol one was super tricky, though, just to come up with protocols.
[2724.76 --> 2725.20]  I know.
[2725.26 --> 2726.34]  I was out of ideas.
[2726.46 --> 2728.34]  I'm happy that you ended up getting the last one.
[2729.70 --> 2731.72]  Yeah, you guys pretty much named all of them that I knew.
[2732.00 --> 2734.38]  So I think Gopher was the one I was going to fall back to.
[2734.38 --> 2736.30]  I was going down the mail path.
[2736.42 --> 2736.76]  Right.
[2737.36 --> 2737.56]  Yeah.
[2737.66 --> 2738.76]  IMAP, SMTP.
[2739.14 --> 2739.76]  Yeah, SMTP.
[2739.84 --> 2740.60]  We had GraphQL.
[2740.60 --> 2741.88]  What's the interest server one?
[2742.14 --> 2742.38]  RCP?
[2743.06 --> 2743.70]  Or what is it?
[2744.96 --> 2745.28]  GRPC?
[2746.18 --> 2746.54]  GRPC.
[2746.72 --> 2747.48]  That's what I was thinking of.
[2747.86 --> 2748.14]  GRPC.
[2748.14 --> 2749.80]  Yeah, I was thinking protobuffs.
[2749.90 --> 2750.86]  That was going to be my next one.
[2750.98 --> 2752.12]  Oh, I'm surprised that went on there.
[2752.24 --> 2752.54]  Yeah.
[2752.94 --> 2753.30]  Yeah.
[2753.62 --> 2754.22]  That's a good one.
[2754.38 --> 2754.84]  All right.
[2755.02 --> 2756.46]  This has been Front End Feud.
[2756.52 --> 2759.68]  If you enjoyed this game, we've played it a bunch of times.
[2759.86 --> 2762.04]  So go back into the feed and search Front End Feud.
[2762.12 --> 2764.26]  You'll find a bunch of episodes on the website.
[2764.42 --> 2767.16]  You can even go to jsparty.fm slash games.
[2767.56 --> 2770.90]  And you'll have just a list of a bunch of games, including we play a game that's Jeopardy
[2770.90 --> 2773.74]  called JS Danger and some other stuff.
[2773.82 --> 2774.68]  So definitely do that.
[2774.68 --> 2776.86]  If you like this format, of course, let us know.
[2776.86 --> 2779.04]  So hit up your favorite Front End Feud contestants.
[2779.32 --> 2782.98]  Tell them they did a great job and tell them that you'd like to have them play again so that
[2782.98 --> 2784.16]  we know that other people enjoy this.
[2784.72 --> 2785.26]  All right, y'all.
[2785.48 --> 2786.50]  This has been Front End Feud.
[2786.62 --> 2787.14]  I'm Jared.
[2787.30 --> 2794.68]  Thank you to Adam and Yuna once again from the CSS podcast and to our new champions, Brad
[2794.68 --> 2797.02]  and James from Compressed FM.
[2797.50 --> 2798.48]  Any ideas, fellas?
[2798.48 --> 2803.70]  Who would you like to defend your championship against in a future Front End Feud battle?
[2804.36 --> 2805.70]  I got one.
[2805.70 --> 2806.74]  You're going to call someone out?
[2806.78 --> 2807.24]  Let's do it.
[2807.38 --> 2808.60]  I want to go up against Scott and Wes.
[2808.76 --> 2809.08]  Okay.
[2810.18 --> 2811.06]  Going big.
[2811.48 --> 2811.64]  Yeah.
[2811.94 --> 2813.04]  We can make that happen.
[2813.16 --> 2815.20]  We've had them on Front End Feud before.
[2815.40 --> 2816.98]  And so they're well aware and they enjoyed it.
[2817.06 --> 2817.54]  I can't remember.
[2817.64 --> 2819.26]  I think they got beat by the Shop Talk guys.
[2819.86 --> 2821.08]  And so they probably are ready.
[2821.66 --> 2824.02]  Yeah, they're probably ready to play again.
[2824.08 --> 2824.84]  So that would be cool.
[2824.96 --> 2828.62]  So no guarantees, but Compressed versus Syntax coming soon.
[2829.38 --> 2830.62]  Stay tuned to find out.
[2830.70 --> 2831.00]  All right.
[2831.30 --> 2831.80]  I'm Jared.
[2831.90 --> 2832.66]  This is JS Party.
[2832.66 --> 2833.68]  Thank y'all.
[2833.88 --> 2835.46]  And we'll see you on the next one.
[2835.46 --> 2836.02]  Bye.
[2836.02 --> 2836.60]  Bye.
[2848.94 --> 2849.10]  Bye.
[2849.10 --> 2849.54]  Bye.
[2849.54 --> 2849.82]  Bye.
[2849.82 --> 2856.74]  I said before, if you dig these game shows we do, head to jsparty.fm slash games, where you will
[2856.74 --> 2863.66]  find a lot more front end feud, JS Danger, Pound Define, Gopher's Say, and more. And if you're
[2863.66 --> 2869.86]  listening on Spotify, search for dev game shows. There's a playlist there for you. Next up on the
[2869.86 --> 2875.90]  pod, Shonde Person joins Nick and I to tell us all about how she transitioned from a sales role
[2875.90 --> 2881.12]  to being a senior software engineer at Netflix in record time. That's a fun one. You don't want
[2881.12 --> 2888.04]  to miss it. Subscribe now if you haven't yet. Head to jsparty.fm for all the ways or just search for
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