The model is braindead.

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by Rego2039 - opened

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In my tests, the model also spouts nonsense.

their models are cr❌p, and, for example, look at this report for another model: https://huggingface.co/OBLITERATUS/gemma-4-E4B-it-OBLITERATED/blob/main/abliteration_metadata.json#L62
KLD=12.64? it is extremely high! why would someone think that an abliterated model with KLD>1 wouldn't be so bad (the value alone doesn't speak much (and the info isn't full + they stopped posting the repots), you can see that all their models are lobotomized, yet they've been getting overhyped). the "obliterated" models are lobotomized, the person who has been abliterating them doesn't know what they've been doing, I wish they could look at themselves. no benchmarks needed: ask the obliterated one a simple question. fails? send to the base one and it answers it without erring. do we need the models not refusing but with damaged capabilities?

@dummy9996 igorls/gemma-4-12B-it-heretic is much better, still significantly worse than the base model, but usable at least.

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It doesn't refuse, but it "provides comprehensive overview of the topic", which is just as boring.
I appreciate the effort though.

The model seems very good at following instructions and rationalizing data, but awful at anything creative, it cannot even pick one from two options, it refuses to choose anything by itself or decide on anything, it seems to be incapable of writing stories, even when pressing to complement "what happens next?" it just continues to rationalize on what should be done rather than executing any action. Maybe merging this with something that actually haven some creative liberty may help

Its a little better when you turn thinking off, but still pretty much lobotomised. It loves giving overviews - I wanted to test story building with subuccus as the main character, and it started describing the software by the same name. I said the mythical entity, and it started off fine, and then quickly pivoted to giving the technical overview for the software.

With thinking on, its unusable. Just looping on "The user's role: Provide the user with a high-level overview of the world." for a world building task. I did give it unlimited tokens for generation, even though the project recommends 512 tok. Not sure how you can do anything with the recommended 512 tok setting, but at least it wouldn't loop.
2026-7-10_10-34-22

Glad im not the only person having this problem. This model has damaged reasoning and overlooping when i tested it too.

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