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[1079.42 --> 1082.26] Like, especially on the Christian side of, like, see some. |
[1082.58 --> 1085.74] I saw one that was both cringy, but also very deep. |
[1085.74 --> 1086.94] And I thought it was awesome. |
[1087.56 --> 1092.40] Was a man saying to God, Lord, why are you taking me into the deep waters? |
[1092.80 --> 1094.64] And he says, because your enemies don't know how to swim. |
[1098.76 --> 1103.26] And it's like, but it gets to that, like, idea of, like, why is it so hard? |
[1103.46 --> 1103.66] Yeah. |
[1103.88 --> 1108.16] And it's like, because he's, that's how it is. |
[1108.28 --> 1108.48] Yeah. |
[1108.70 --> 1108.98] Right? |
[1109.12 --> 1111.58] To get to the promised land, you have to cross the wilderness. |
[1111.88 --> 1112.06] Yeah. |
[1112.06 --> 1113.56] You have to pass through the Red Sea. |
[1114.00 --> 1114.18] Yeah. |
[1114.48 --> 1114.84] It's. |
[1114.84 --> 1114.88] Yes. |
[1115.44 --> 1123.32] Well, and that's why, I mean, to bring it back to Sunday, part of what's going on in the person of Jesus, right? |
[1123.32 --> 1137.96] Is that our ideas about what kingship should be, our ideas about what messiahship is, or what we need saving from, or saving to, our ideas about the kinds of things that give us meaning and value and purpose are challenged by Jesus. |
[1138.18 --> 1138.48] Mm-hmm. |
[1138.48 --> 1139.08] Right? |
[1139.14 --> 1146.38] And so, when things are really hard, one of the responses that we see here is that people get indignant. |
[1147.32 --> 1147.44] Yeah. |
[1147.94 --> 1150.52] And that, like, that happens to us, too, right? |
[1150.56 --> 1152.60] Like, how could you do this to me, God? |
[1153.02 --> 1153.34] Mm-hmm. |
[1153.78 --> 1154.06] Right? |
[1155.02 --> 1159.12] How, how could you leave me alone? |
[1159.30 --> 1159.78] Yeah. |
[1159.78 --> 1166.34] Without this person that I love, or in this trial, or in this trauma, or whatever it is, right? |
[1166.34 --> 1176.82] And part of what's going on is, you know, the, we'll use the Lewis image. |
[1176.82 --> 1186.40] The scales of the dragon flesh are being pulled off as our true heart is being exposed. |
[1187.28 --> 1187.34] Yeah. |
[1189.52 --> 1196.40] And our default response in, when our idols are challenged is to rage against it. |
[1196.60 --> 1196.78] Yeah. |
[1196.96 --> 1203.44] Or it's the, it's the idea that to make a heart of stone a heart of flesh, you have to, you have to break it. |
[1203.82 --> 1204.04] Yeah. |
[1204.04 --> 1205.04] You have to crack it. |
[1205.88 --> 1206.00] Yeah. |
[1206.00 --> 1206.92] And that hurts. |
[1207.24 --> 1207.42] Yeah. |
[1207.70 --> 1208.10] Absolutely. |
[1208.50 --> 1208.68] Yeah. |
[1208.98 --> 1212.06] But speaking of things that don't make sense, why did Jesus curse a fig tree? |
[1214.62 --> 1215.02] Yeah. |
[1215.68 --> 1223.48] So, I mean, I knew this was going to come up in our discussion, but I even, I even addressed you in part by name on Sunday and said, Josh is going to ask me about this. |
[1223.90 --> 1224.10] Yeah. |
[1225.06 --> 1225.28] Yeah. |
[1225.56 --> 1230.44] And I mentioned that, you know, there's lots of history of interpretation on this. |
[1230.44 --> 1243.38] And so, you know, the church fathers, they get very allegorical about this and they see the fig tree because it's not uncommon. |
[1243.38 --> 1244.38] Yeah. |
[1244.38 --> 1246.62] The fig tree as an image of Israel. |
[1247.02 --> 1247.28] Yeah. |
[1247.40 --> 1247.68] Right. |
[1247.74 --> 1250.28] And Jesus curses Israel because they rejected him. |
[1250.62 --> 1250.92] Mm-hmm. |
[1250.92 --> 1256.30] I'm less inclined to be as allegorical. |
[1256.30 --> 1258.12] Are you saying you disagree with the church fathers? |
[1258.78 --> 1262.12] I think there's lots of times that we're required to disagree with people. |
[1262.56 --> 1262.78] Yeah. |
[1262.78 --> 1265.38] And there's lots of times where we just need to listen to them. |
[1265.48 --> 1268.20] And so, I have read diligently through the church fathers. |
[1268.44 --> 1270.14] This is one of the places where I'm going to disagree. |
[1270.68 --> 1270.90] Yeah. |
[1271.22 --> 1274.50] Because I don't think the text itself lends to an allegory. |
[1274.70 --> 1274.96] Yeah. |
[1275.26 --> 1275.48] Right? |
[1275.56 --> 1282.12] Like, oftentimes when it lends to an allegory or an allegorical interpretation, Jesus will make that clear. |
[1282.68 --> 1284.54] We don't see any of that in this text. |
[1286.94 --> 1289.38] And so, yeah, I think Jesus is hungry. |
[1290.06 --> 1290.32] Mm-hmm. |
[1290.32 --> 1290.74] He's human. |
[1291.32 --> 1291.52] Yeah. |
[1291.52 --> 1294.46] And he's Lord of the universe. |
[1295.12 --> 1300.20] And so, don't hear me say that he's hangry because I don't think that's what's going on. |
[1300.20 --> 1312.86] But I think part of what Jesus is identifying here is that even the natural world, because of sin, is rebelling against its creator. |
[1313.30 --> 1313.42] Right? |
[1313.52 --> 1316.26] Is living in opposition to the one who made it. |
[1316.26 --> 1328.54] And so, not only is he Messiah King come to save the lost people, but he's the Messiah King who's come to redeem the entire world. |
[1328.82 --> 1329.04] Yeah. |
[1329.30 --> 1329.54] Right? |
[1329.58 --> 1331.36] Who's coming to... |
[1331.36 --> 1338.76] Like, you see the picture in Revelation 21 and 22 with the tree that is always in season. |
[1338.76 --> 1340.20] It's never without fruit. |
[1340.20 --> 1340.70] Mm-hmm. |
[1340.70 --> 1340.88] Right? |
[1340.88 --> 1344.24] That may be the direct opposite to this. |
[1344.24 --> 1344.56] Right? |
[1344.56 --> 1344.76] Yeah. |
[1344.76 --> 1345.88] The tree that withers and dies. |
[1345.88 --> 1349.76] And then you have the one that is always blossoming, always bearing fruit. |
[1349.76 --> 1367.34] And so, I think Jesus curses the tree because he's hungry and the sin in the world has prevented this tree from doing what it needs to do for its master. |
[1367.90 --> 1368.06] Mm-hmm. |
[1368.06 --> 1374.52] And so, I think it's a picture for us that includes or that broadens the scope of redemption. |
[1374.92 --> 1375.16] Yeah. |
[1376.12 --> 1377.06] Does that make sense? |
[1377.06 --> 1377.74] Yeah. |
[1377.74 --> 1377.80] Yeah. |
[1378.12 --> 1378.90] It's... |
[1378.90 --> 1381.06] It also shows that it's... |
[1381.06 --> 1382.20] It's... |
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